Govt realises that loads of people getting covid might actually be an issue

[noblegiraffe]

Sam Coates of Sky News is tweeting that Whitehall is getting concerned about the sheer number of people who will be having to isolate in the coming days, some from getting covid, and some from having to isolate.

"One source said gvt modelling done under Hancock suggested this scale cd potentially compromise transport and healthcare"

"One government source called this another lockdown by the back door"

twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1413224477450817536?s=21

Apparently the plan is to make the app less sensitive so that fewer people have to isolate.

Stopping isolations increases infections so not necessarily a great solution.

I'm sure all the planning is well in hand though.

The App may be doing what it’s suppose to in some cases but there’s so many problems and variables with it to be accurate for all.
People that haven’t even left the house getting pinged. How does that happen?

@gardeninggirl68

jesus christ when will all this end!??

There is no end. Why do people think there is an end?

Even the government, who are almost always the last group to work things out, have finally realised there is no end.

A guardian article that someone quoted earlier in the week said 10m people could be isolating this summer. That's insane and would surely affect almost all services...? I thought at the beginning of the pandemic they predicted if left unchecked 20% of the workforce could be off at the same time....surely we approaching a similar situation? (Not that I'm proposing a lockdown!!)

Anecdata but colleagues tell me the expanded ITUs in my two closest cities are full and more than half full - I would have preferred effective policies introduced in a timely fashion so the public can't catch what's not there to catch.

Not enough PCR tests and capacity if cases rise too much:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/08/lifting-covid-rules-in-england-will-overwhelm-testing-capacity

Hmmmm

Of all the people isolating, what proportion have Covid compared to people isolating as a precaution?

@Zilla1

Anecdata but colleagues tell me the expanded ITUs in my two closest cities are full and more than half full - I would have preferred effective policies introduced in a timely fashion so the public can't catch what's not there to catch.

Our nearest big hospital is reallyvstruggling at the moment. My dad works there. It's a slight rise in admissions due to covid. But overwhelmingly because of isolation.

My sons school is all isolating, apart from a year 4 and a year 6 class. And the school have implemented a rule saying that when children are on their lessons, they must be in communal area being supervised by someone with parental responsibility. Luckily I can work from him. But can't have DS and his teacher in the background while I am on work calls.

And I am the only person here with PR. They are also not responding to my request for further advice on this.

So many parents, even if working from home can't work, just from this one school.

@Sparklingbrook

Apart from the useless App what is the other way you’d get instructed to isolate? Is it a call from Test & Trace? How does that happen? The only people I personally know isolating have been pinged.

The only person who has needed to isolate in my family is DS who is still at school. 3 x from a person he’s been nowhere near. It has certainly been a right royal pita.

There’s nothing more that can be done. Nothing. You can’t stop a virus this transmitable. It’s absolutely rife.

I knows a few people with it and it’s causing all sorts of mehem but once most people have had it then it can’t keep reinfecting the same people so it should get easier.

Most people are off because they’re isolating as they’ve been in contact with someone that has it. The 10 day isolation rule is the clanger here.

My sons school is all isolating, apart from a year 4 and a year 6 class. And the school have implemented a rule saying that when children are on their lessons, they must be in communal area being supervised by someone with parental responsibility.

@Sloaneslone. How can the school implement such a rule?
To an extent I understand their reasoning but if a child can’t be in school it’s not their business who is responsible for the child if there are no safeguarding issues.
You are not a teacher and you need to work. Some schools are ridiculous.

@Sparklingbrook

I know of someone on their 4th round of isolation (and obviously not at work) from that useless App.

I would love to know the % of people that get pinged that actually go on to develop Covid.

Well erm, here’s a thought….. delete the app!

@JetBlackSteed

And the school kids who have discovered that a drop of orange juice on a test gives a positive result and days off school.

Apparently any citrus fruit juice so lemon or grapefruit too for the young growing inquisitive budding scientists. Kids can be find mischief even in a worrying pandemic which is actually given more contagious variants impacting their immediate and potentially long term health with long Covid in some rare cases too apparently. But PHE data is secretive. No sure why? Is the real data that bad and so off the public searchable record?

Well erm, here’s a thought….. delete the app!

I guess they could do. Maybe they don’t care and enjoy the enforced breaks?

Me and my husband are both double jabbed. Both have caught it from our children, one of whom is on a heavy dose of antibiotics for Covid pneumonia.

As for reinfections - this is the second time our children have had it. Both times caught from school. And with different variants, of course people are going to be reinfected!

It's not something that had crossed my mind before, but my office has been more affected by positive cases and / or people having to isolate than I've seen at any point over the last 16 months.

Unless the rules (and people's mindsets - many will still be scared of catching covid) change drastically, I fear the 19 July unlocking will be just as disruptive as any lockdown with the amount of people having to isolate. How will I get to my office if trains are cancelled through lack of staff? If we have cases in the office, the entire affected floor closes for a week.

In previous lockdown situations (i e. January) cases were through the roof but no-one was going out and about after Christmas (which caused the through the roof cases).

Now, cases are through the roof, most people are out and about - including me, I hasten to add! - and compliance with social distancing and mask wearing is as low as it's ever been.

It's not a good combination.

@Sparklingbrook

Well erm, here’s a thought….. delete the app!

I guess they could do. Maybe they don’t care and enjoy the enforced breaks?

I genuinely think some people do! Said this all along. Lockdown suits some people.

I don’t even have the app.
There will be plenty more who don’t

Yes @TableFlowerss I think some people may have the App with the hope of getting pinged maybe?
Especially the people that can afford it.

@Zilla1

Anecdata but colleagues tell me the expanded ITUs in my two closest cities are full and more than half full - I would have preferred effective policies introduced in a timely fashion so the public can't catch what's not there to catch.

My cousins, aunts, grandmas, next door neighbors uncles, best friends dad said….

Doesn’t make it true though. If you can provide a link of it being true, then that would be concerning.

@noblegiraffe

You've been double jabbed - what more do you want?

Have I?

I'd quite like the country not to end up in chaos due to loads of people being stuck at home with covid.

only one way out of it and thats for people to delete the app , its useless anyway , its only advisory to isolate if your pinged as our workplace found out when one of our members had covid , manager phoned up and got told as long as we hadnt had close contact with her we could ignore it , what a farce ,we all deleted it the next day

@HowdyDudey

As for reinfections - this is the second time our children have had it. Both times caught from school. And with different variants, of course people are going to be reinfected!

So what’s the alternative? Keep people locked up under house arrest forever, have the army drop off food parcels at every door?

"So what’s the alternative? Keep people locked up under house arrest forever, have the army drop off food parcels at every door?"

How dramatic.
Masks on public transport and better ventilation in schools and colleges would be a good start. Might reduce flu levels this winter too.

I genuinely think some people do! Said this all along. Lockdown suits some people

It’s more a case of some people don’t want to get covid for very good reason. No one likes lockdown or is happy about it, why people come to this conclusion just because people want to avoid a serious illness is beyond me.