What is going on?????

[Dustyboots]

Sorry, I know there’ve been countless threads discussing this sort of thing. But so far all I can find are people arguing about masks and smoking ...

What is our government doing? What are they up to? I’ve just seen a tweet with a German news report that says the UK is conducting a mass Covid experiment.

Is our government trying to crash the NHS in order to dismantle it?

What are they up to?

@markmichelle

In London and other cities (England) we keep getting mobs not wearing masks or protesting about all limiting measures because of the damage to the economy and personal freedom. Politics is the art of the possible. The Government just cannot enforce the measures they have in Scotland.

Have you seen the Covid rates in Scotland?

They are letting life resume. The vulnerable are vaccinated. We have to move on.

@HadEnoughofOtherThreads

Gwenhwyfar

Creamsoda77
‘Why are cases rising then if so many are vaccinated???’

Apparently the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it or transmitting it, only helps with severity. Not exactly what we were sold.

^This

And also likely to be due to the new previously unknown variants that the vaccines were not initially produced to suppress.
Eg. the latest Johnson (Delta) variant that have been welcomed into the UK like all the other Covid variants.

*@Creamsoda77

Apparently the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it or transmitting it, only helps with severity. Not exactly what we were sold.*

But that's exactly what we were told, that some people would still catch it but that the severity and death rates would be decreased. Also they believed it would lessen but not eradicate the spread. Same as the flu jab really.

Tealightsandd

Federal health officials have told fully vaccinated people they no longer need to wear masks or maintain social distance because they are protected, nor do they need to be tested or quarantine after an exposure, unless they develop symptoms.

Now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has stopped investigating breakthrough infections among fully vaccinated people unless they become so sick that they are hospitalized or die.

www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/health/cdc-coronavirus-infections-vaccine.html

So at least the number of cases in vaccinated people are not being reported as they’ve been told not to get tested!

Have you seen the Covid rates in Scotland?

By coincidence the rates jumped after Scotland football fans went to London for the Euros. Perhaps they took back more than a hangover...

@DownSideUpped

Yes the point is about deaths.

99.5% of deaths are in the unvaccinated.

Like your link says, they are testing all hospitalisations and deaths. And a very tiny number are vaccinated (0.5%).

Why does the telegraph today say people who only had 1jab only 10% protected against covid.
Me and husband in 40s have 2ne jan 2 weeks time.
Most other countries 3 week gaps and using more MHRA type vaccines.
We started 12 weeks now saying 8.
But we prepared open everything up before all over 16s had chance to have 2 vaccines.
Read 47% over 80s in London are unvaccinated.
We should allow 12 to 16 to have jabs if parents wish.
My eldest is gcse year sept.

We can’t keep restrictions indefinitely, I, along with many others work in hospitality and want to get back to working full hours, earning full pay. I don’t think covid will be gone in my lifetime and to continue like this won’t help society. If people want to continue wearing masks etc then do so, if you want to stay in and not mix then do so, which if you are retired or not working is not an issue for you.

@Tealightsandd

Have you seen the Covid rates in Scotland?

By coincidence the rates jumped after Scotland football fans went to London for the Euros. Perhaps they took back more than a hangover...

According to the BBC website, the average case rates in Scotland are significantly higher than in England. Even if cases were imported back up North, the stricter restrictions are either not effective or people aren’t complying after months and months of them. I think a lot of people went daft during the Euros. According to my dad, Glasgow was like Hogmanay/Mardi Gras/Fair Monday rolled into one with the amount of people out partying on the night of the Scotland/England match.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

The age cohort who are almost all fully vaccinated tend to vote Tory

I’m 57 and double dipped. Please remember that we were young adults under the horrendous Thatcher years. I don’t know anyone who voted Tory tbh. Scarred for life by Thatch.

Same.

When people are looking at deaths'with' Covid in last 28 days, please note that around 40% of those in hospital with Covid were admitted with something else and were tested whilst in hospital. This in turn means that if the numbers dying, up to 40% of them may have died from something completely unrelated to Covid.

Apologies if this is a stupid question, but if we don't vaccinate 12+ and kids under 12, won't Covid keep circulating amongst that age group ad finitum? Is the end game, Covid is just something we get now, along with Cold and Flu? But the vaccine means we stand a better chance of our immune systems fighting it off... and let's cross our fingers about Long Covid

which if you are retired or not working is not an issue for you.

They still need to go outside! Shopping, walking, socialising (for mental well-being), going to hospital appointments.

And obviously millions of the vulnerable including CEV are working.

having been double jabbed doesn’t look like a success to me. 62% of hospital cases are double jabbed.

In America 99.5% of the deaths are now in the unvaccinated. And cases are spreading in the unvaccinated states.

America used mostly mRNA - Pfizer and Moderna. In Germany, Angela Merkel had AZ for her first and Moderna as her second. Studies have suggested AZ first, followed by mRNA gives stronger protection.

Possibly we need to give me a boosters to the people who've had Astrazeneca.

Also though, Astrazeneca takes longer to build up protection. It might simply be a matter of time.

62% of hospital cases are double jabbed

Where is this information?

That worldometer is a fascinating site, thanks to whoever linked it.
I can see from it that we currently have 577000 active cases, around 2700 in hospital and 417 in a serious/critical condition.

In America 99.5% of the deaths are now in the unvaccinated. And cases are spreading in the unvaccinated states.

Cases are probably spreading in vaccinated states but not being tested so not being reported (as per NYTimes article).

@Chris08

I definitely won’t be having the experimental jab with so many side effects including death! Something very dark going on now that they are coming for the kids who have 0.04% chance of getting it. As long as you can still get COVID & still pass it on having been double jabbed doesn’t look like a success to me. 62% of hospital cases are double jabbed.

a lot to unpack here @Chris08

-the vaccines aren't experimental
-on a population level they are safer than coronavirus infection
-no one is "coming for the kids", it's just offered to them
-children don't have a "0.04%" chance of getting coronavirus, with cases skyrocketing it's something they'll find hard to avoid
-vaccines reduce your chance of both infection and transmission
-it is to be expected given the demographics of who has been jabbed, that they will make up a substantial proportion of people hospitalised and dying

@Tealightsandd

Have you seen the Covid rates in Scotland?

By coincidence the rates jumped after Scotland football fans went to London for the Euros. Perhaps they took back more than a hangover...

The rates in Scotland have been increasing for weeks and weeks now. Football etc hasn't helped but the rates were already increasing. The so called measures don't seem to be having an impact.

People may still be wearing masks, although I've seen an increase in people not bothering to cover their nose. Social distancing generally isn't happening and I don't think people know what the rules are any more re gatherings.

The increase in cases has meant that contact tracing is not great. I've known people who were contacted on day 9 and told to isolate for 24 hours

It is to be expected given the demographics of who has been jabbed, that they will make up a substantial proportion of people hospitalised and dying

Why? Aren’t they the ones who are supposedly protected by the vaccines?

I think this idea of individual responsibility and choice is really dangerous and short-sighted.

I am recovering from pre-existing CFS, and now 16 months of long covid. I've also had a really bad reaction to my first vaccine, that is still going on after 10 weeks, so I haven't had my second vaccine. I'm basically on my knees, health-wise.

Now I'm under pressure from all sorts of people to "go back to normal".

I'm a Mum to a slightly SEND child, so I have very little choice but to go where he needs to go, and to deal with whatever the school system, and our local community brings us.

How can this be sensible at all at the moment with Delta covid around?We are in a Delta hot spot.

I wish we could keep the masks and the 2 metre rule. That alone would make a huge difference.

Another thread had a poster stating that in the last quarter day (25th june, one of 4 days a year commercial rents are due ) only something like 18% of commercial tenant had paid their rents.

I think we're opening up because they know our economy is up the Swanee.

*Chris08

62% of hospital cases are double jabbed.*

This is definitely not the case in my local hospital that covers a population of about 250,000. It has 16 people with covid, 1 in critical care. Double vaccinated is at 5.

@DownSideUpped

It is to be expected given the demographics of who has been jabbed, that they will make up a substantial proportion of people hospitalised and dying

Why? Aren’t they the ones who are supposedly protected by the vaccines?

I feel like this has been explained a couple of times on the thread

The vaccines are not 100% effective (and efficacy seems to be lower in older people), therefore some people will sadly still die despite being double jabbed.

We have vaccinated the vast majority of older people, and less of the younger population. Older people are more likely to die of coronavirus. This means an association between being vaccinated and death from coronavirus is observed, which isn't causal. It's not surprising and was predicted in modelling.

Doesn't stop anti-vaxxers running with it though.

It was started by the daily expose I believe, but here's a link with more info www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccinated-idUSL2N2OD2CJ