Feeling so low about this new world of vaccines

[blue12345]

Just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as me? For many reasons, I've decided not to get the Covid vaccine. I' have all my vaccines and all my kids are vaccinated. I state this to show I'm not an anti-vaxxer, although I increasingly feel like one.

I'm feeling very isolated from my friends and family as a result of this. Everyone I meet asks me am I booked in yet, am I double-vaccinated. I don't bother getting into conversations about it , but it still causes me anxiety and has led to friction. A very close friend has asked me a few times have I got an appointment for my vaccine yet and I've tried to brush her off, as I think she will be unlikely to want to spend time around me after she finds out I'm not getting it. I've also found that lots of friends have cut back on their contact with me.

I am very comfortable with my decision, but I'm just so sad that we now live in a world where the segregation of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is allowed, in both interpersonal relations and also looking more and more likely that services like restaurants and travel will be similarly restricted.

I have said I understand phobic responses and would never push anyone, on family or anywhere to try to overcome a phobia

In my family

@blue12345

Totally appreciate everyone's opinions on this, but why? I'm the same person, I have known many of these people for decades. I'm not endangering them. I'm making a medical decision for myself. I have taken other vaccines for the greater good, for myself and my family.

But I'm not willing to do that for this vaccine currently.

I give blood for the greater good. . I don't speed. I give to charity. I volunteer. All
things others don't do. I don't judge anyone their decisions.

I am just so sad that this decision of mine has to be so public. I don't bring up the vaccines, I would NEVER ask them about their vaccines.

But you are endangering others. By not having the vaccine you are very likely to spread the virus to others. Some of those will be vulnerable. There are many with health conditions that make the virus very dangerous and vaccines ineffective. For that reason I would avoid you.

I'm sure pro vaxx people do have the capability to respect an anti vaxxers position of choosing to refuse it. But in return, the anti vaxxer needs to respect the decision to create a safe distance between someone who is a higher risk to them.

@Holdingontonothing

I'm sure pro vaxx people do have the capability to respect an anti vaxxers position of choosing to refuse it. But in return, the anti vaxxer needs to respect the decision to create a safe distance between someone who is a higher risk to them.

True also if you use pro vaxx I’m guessing it’s fine to go back to using anti vaxx which some didn’t like

I don’t need a medal and certainly not from someone like you who has made it clear their feelings are more important than others lives.

That’s literally my point I did it because it’s the right thing to do, not because anyone would make or bribe me

Spot the Tory voters on this thread by the way!

I need my vulnerable mum to be protected and my disabled friends to be able to receive my support without risking their lives

I need people to understand that scientists and the government are not the same thing because one of them actually has to be accountable

I need people who don’t have the intellectual capacity to follow a scientific report from beginning to end to stop pretending they ‘did their own research’

@Holdingontonothing

I'm sure pro vaxx people do have the capability to respect an anti vaxxers position of choosing to refuse it. But in return, the anti vaxxer needs to respect the decision to create a safe distance between someone who is a higher risk to them.

It is the practicalities of it that I don't understand. How are people going to ensure that they never have any contact with someone who isn't vaccinated. Yes ok, people can do it with friendships. They just interrogate their friends, but I don't see how they can go about everyday life ensuring nobody unvaccinated comes anywhere near them. I respect people's decisions however strange I find them. People have the right to do whatever they want.

You’re relying on everyone else to get over their anxiety and worries, take all the necessary risks for you, while you benefit from their efforts.

Well I’m certainly not. I have no problem with my risk of getting COVID, it’s not my fault that other people choosing to be vaccinated had reduced my risk.

People are seriously petitioning to not treat unvaccinated patients for covid? wow, altruism at its best right there.

Seems that some people on this thread are ‘selectively altruistic’. Putting others before themselves as long as those people behave in the way they want them to. If they don’t then they should be cut off as friends and denied medical treatment. Nice.

‘It’s not my problem’

Other people aren’t altruistic enough for meeeeeeee!

They should put others before themselves on every occasion even if they think they are a selfish arsehole

Fwiw I don’t think smokers or obese people or alcoholics or even anti-vaxxers should be denied medical treatment for the position they find themselves in... even if it was arguably their own choices that put them in that position

I do think people who actively remove themselves from the organ donor register (as opposed to aren’t eligible) should be not eligible to receive an organ though.

People have the right to do whatever they want

Ok people. Let’s forget law and order completely.
Let’s let drunk drivers drive. They have the right to do whatever they want etc.

You’re relying on everyone else to get over their anxiety and worries, take all the necessary risks for you, while you benefit from their efforts.

Well I’m certainly not. I have no problem with my risk of getting COVID, it’s not my fault that other people choosing to be vaccinated had reduced my risk.

Reducing the risk of catching covid is not the only way an unvaccinated person benefits from others accepting the vaccine. What about all the easing of restrictions we are currently seeing? That’s because of vaccines. Are you not taking any of those benefits either? Are you still staying home?

@Twoforthree

People have the right to do whatever they want

Ok people. Let’s forget law and order completely.
Let’s let drunk drivers drive. They have the right to do whatever they want etc.

That's completely out of context actually if you had read the post... I'm not advocating any of that

How are people going to ensure that they never have any contact with someone who isn't vaccinated.

Well that's part of the issue it, they can't ensure it which is why people are frustrated that others aren't getting vaccinated.

Actually, Im not ‘benefitting’ from it. Im just getting back the life I sacrificed for over a year to stop the nhs being overwhelmed (selfish person that I am). That’s the default position, not a benefit. The people benefitting from the vaccine are the vulnerable people whose risk of illness/death is significantly reduce by having it.

@blue12345

"In the clinical trials, people were asked not to become pregnant but nonetheless accidents happen.

"Across the four vaccines that were approved in the UK, 65 people became pregnant by accident and they became pregnant equally in the vaccinated and the unvaccinated group, which tells us that the vaccine isn't reducing people's chances of getting pregnant.

"Now that the vaccines have been more widely rolled out, we also have studies in IVF clinics where they keep a track of how likely you are to become pregnant if you're vaccinated, compared to if you're not vaccinated.

"Again, being vaccinated does not reduce your chances of getting pregnant in an IVF setting."

@Twoforthree

People have the right to do whatever they want

Ok people. Let’s forget law and order completely.
Let’s let drunk drivers drive. They have the right to do whatever they want etc.

This comparison does not work. Drunk driving is illegal. Not having the vaccine is not.

@bumbleymummy

Actually, Im not ‘benefitting’ from it. Im just getting back the life I sacrificed for over a year to stop the nhs being overwhelmed (selfish person that I am). That’s the default position, not a benefit. The people benefitting from the vaccine are the vulnerable people whose risk of illness/death is significantly reduce by having it.

There is no default position because everything has changed. And you are benefitting from other people getting vaccinated, because without that we wouldn't have been able to relax the restrictions as far as we have.

Yet Judging by some of the attitudes on this thread, some people would happily see people jailed/fined for not having the vaccine.

There is no evidence that the vaccine effects fertility. However, there are concerns that Covid 19 itself could effect fertility:

The novel coronavirus invades the target cell by binding to ACE2, which is widely expressed in the ovaries, uterus, vagina and placenta. Significantly, the SARS-CoV-2 is said to interrupt female fertility through regulating ACE2. Thus, it is essential to investigate if the novel COVID-19 hampers female fertility, given that there is no systematic and comprehensive evidence on the association of COVID-19 with female fertility.

@singingstones well, we could have but hospitalisations/deaths would have been higher.
The default position is living without restrictions. Have you really forgotten that already?

@UndercoverToad you should really link to the articles/papers you’re quoting from.

@bumbleymummy

Yet Judging by some of the attitudes on this thread, some people would happily see people jailed/fined for not having the vaccine.

Please detail the steps that lead you to that conclusion 😂

It's fascinating to observe your thought processes - people say very clearly that they had the vaccine because they thought it was the right thing to do - you dismiss them / don't believe them / mock them.

Nobody says they want to see vaccine refusers jailed or fined, and you come out with this shite.

@bumbleymummy bmj

bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/2/e045524