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Feeling so low about this new world of vaccines

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blue12345 · 07/07/2021 21:36

Just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as me? For many reasons, I've decided not to get the Covid vaccine. I' have all my vaccines and all my kids are vaccinated. I state this to show I'm not an anti-vaxxer, although I increasingly feel like one.

I'm feeling very isolated from my friends and family as a result of this. Everyone I meet asks me am I booked in yet, am I double-vaccinated. I don't bother getting into conversations about it , but it still causes me anxiety and has led to friction. A very close friend has asked me a few times have I got an appointment for my vaccine yet and I've tried to brush her off, as I think she will be unlikely to want to spend time around me after she finds out I'm not getting it. I've also found that lots of friends have cut back on their contact with me.

I am very comfortable with my decision, but I'm just so sad that we now live in a world where the segregation of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is allowed, in both interpersonal relations and also looking more and more likely that services like restaurants and travel will be similarly restricted.

OP posts:
Holdingontonothing · 10/07/2021 15:42

@bumbleymummy what's your thoughts on wider impact of covid (other than death) on what you describe as "low risk" groups that in your opinion don't need a vaccine, eg long covid leaving people unable to work, losing livelihoods or lost quality of life, for example struggles with physical fitness affecting their leisure time, impaired cognitive ability etc? Or does that not matter? At least they didn't die because they aren't "vulnerable".

anon12345678901 · 10/07/2021 15:44

[quote bumbleymummy]@anon12345678901

The World Health Organization’s director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus -

“In January, I spoke about the potential unfolding of a moral catastrophe,” he told a press conference. “Unfortunately, we’re now witnessing this play out. In a handful of rich countries, which bought up the majority of the supply, lower-risk groups are now being vaccinated.

“I understand why some countries want to vaccinate their children and adolescents, but right now I urge them to reconsider and to instead donate vaccines to Covax.”

“Because in low- and lower-middle-income countries, Covid-19 vaccine supply has not been enough to even immunise healthcare workers, and hospitals are being inundated with people that need lifesaving care urgently.”[/quote]
But you are not in a position to give your vaccine away, the U.K. already has plans to donate 100million doses, you not getting yours does not affect that.

DontDrinkDontSmokeWhatDoIDo · 10/07/2021 15:52

Yes, @FflosFfantastig - unvaccinated by choice, just as 'woo' as a someone who doesn't eat animal products.

What is in that poster's mind 😳😳😂😂😂😂

bumbleymummy · 10/07/2021 15:55

@Holdingontonothing I think we need a better specification for diagnosing long covid so we can distinguish between people who have a lingering cough or fatigue for 4 weeks and someone with life changing, long term illness tbh.at least that way we can evaluate its impact. Iirc the recent figures from the ONS were based on self reporting from a survey so not entirely accurate or reliable.

@anon well if I don’t take mine there will be one more going spare and a hcp/vulnerable person in one of those other countries is welcome to it.

Mreggsworth · 10/07/2021 16:05

I think if theres one going spare if they cant find anyone to give it to its destroyed (hence why a few places did walk ins at the end of day to use up stock). I don't know about large clinics but most pharmacies and smaller centres doing the vaccines get their deliveries then thaw them meaning they have a limited time in which they can be used. So it's not like at the end of the day they can just send the unused ones back to go to another country.

bumbleymummy · 10/07/2021 16:07

Even more reason to have an ‘opt out and donate’ system so the government have an idea of how many ‘spare’ doses they’ll have to donate.

Mreggsworth · 10/07/2021 16:31

What if people changed their mind though?

There is the capacity to vaccinate every country, the emphasis should be on adequately funding and producing the vaccines and working out the logistics of setting up mass vaccine centres and storage centres accross the world.

The donated vaccines of those in the UK who chose not to get the vaccine would not make a dent in the big scheme of things, and the logistics of making an opt in or out system nationally would be a nightmare.

The priority shouldn't be to distribute current stock more sparingly, but to pump more money and resources into distributing the vaccines globally and not as a "this or that" approach. And it isnt just about the vaccines, some countries will not have the training or specialist facilities to hold masses of vaccines. The UK actually did (Surprisingly well) in organising the logistics of mass vaccination, everything from healthy and safety, delivery, storage, training and recruitment. This is something other countries may be lacking, not just the vaccines themselves.

Original poster
blue12345 · 10/07/2021 17:41

What threshold of Covid deaths are acceptable?

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UnrivaledJoyofStarGazing · 10/07/2021 17:42

I would not avoid you but I would view you differently.

I would view you as lacking community spirit. Putting the self before the greater good. This is an unattractive trait to me.

Wanting to take advantage of the freedoms that come with a vaccinated community but not prepared to place any skin in the game.

Gingercatz · 10/07/2021 17:49

I wasn't that keen to have the vaccine. I'd had Covid and tested positive for antibodies. I'm not keen on needles either. But I would have been forever guilty if I hadn't been jabbed and then found out I had passed Covid onto a friend or relative. Who could live with themselves if they had spread Covid after turning down the vaccine?

UnrivaledJoyofStarGazing · 10/07/2021 17:53

That is exactly it. I was at an outdoor gathering in our village. Our neighbour has cancer and extremely vulnerable. Her husband asked if I had been vaccinated. I had. He thanked me. His wife's consultant had said that she cannot be around unvaccinated people. This was the very first social event they had attended in over eighteen months. They felt isolated and vulnerable.

How could I live with myself, a healthy adult being offered a vaccination and refusing this and then giving Covid to the likes of my neighbour who would invariably die of it.

Endofether · 10/07/2021 18:00

But why wouldn’t you take a vaccine to try to help even if you aren’t in a high risk group. And what are you going to do if you become high risk (e get pregnant )

I really held off myself but I just want kids back at school and then
To have a normal life so it didn’t seem like such a big deal to help achieve that by having the vax tbh

XenoBitch · 10/07/2021 18:01

@UnrivaledJoyofStarGazing

That is exactly it. I was at an outdoor gathering in our village. Our neighbour has cancer and extremely vulnerable. Her husband asked if I had been vaccinated. I had. He thanked me. His wife's consultant had said that she cannot be around unvaccinated people. This was the very first social event they had attended in over eighteen months. They felt isolated and vulnerable.

How could I live with myself, a healthy adult being offered a vaccination and refusing this and then giving Covid to the likes of my neighbour who would invariably die of it.

Did they ask everyone else if they had been vaccinated too?
UnrivaledJoyofStarGazing · 10/07/2021 18:04

I don't know if they asked everyone else or not. It was a group of around ten people.

Motherofalittledragon · 10/07/2021 18:10

Your choice not to have the vaccine, your friends choice not to mix with those who are unvaccinated.

Gingercatz · 10/07/2021 18:11

I think it's a win win when you've been double jabbed. You can feel good about your choice, that you've done something to protect other people, that you've minimised your chance of getting Covid and that you've not got a vaccine passport so that once we can travel abroad you are set to go

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onlyreadingneverposting8 · 10/07/2021 18:21

Just do the sensible and right thing OP - get the vaccination! You say your had all your previous vaccinations; you say your children are vaccinated - you realise this vaccine is now probably FAR more tested than some that your children have had given the number of people across the world that have had covid vaccination?! Frankly you're being an idiot!

LouPoppy28 · 10/07/2021 18:36

I have also chose not to have the vaccine 🙋🏻‍♀️ & I know a lot of people that have chose not to too! So you’re certainly not the only one !

I won’t be participating in an experimental vaccine that has been around for less than a year. In fact it baffles me more so why people that are young and healthy would WANT to get the COVID vaccine?!? Is it just so they can go on holiday 🙄

I completely get why the clinically vulnerable and elderly are getting it. So I effect they should be protecting so why the need for young and healthy people to have it also?? And I’m sorry but my child will 100% not be having this trial vaccine until I know that it is safe!!

Also people need to get a grip… covid really isn’t that bad! Maybe you need to all open your eyes 👀

Porridgeislife · 10/07/2021 18:42

I have opened my eyes. I’m well aware I’m unlikely to die of Covid. However, the BMJ are reporting that one third of people in the UK who have had Covid now have long Covid.

Having struggled for a year in my early twenties to get over glandular fever, I’ve got no interest in exposing myself to post viral illness, so vaccine it is.

marmaladehound · 10/07/2021 18:48

I think most young abs healthy are choosing to get the vaccine, and it is most as the uptake is pretty good, are doing so to protect the vulnerable. So they can see their parents and grandparents knowing that there is a lot LESS risk, not zero risk, but less, that they might given them Covid.

You are partially right about Covid not been that bad for the majority. But a sizeable % were critically ill and my eyes were open to that quite clearly as I work in A&E. there is also now a significant rise in people with pulmonary emboli ( not from deranged clotting from vaccine) but from prior infection from Covid as well as long Covid which has left a few of my medical colleagues off work for 6 months.

speckledostrichegg · 10/07/2021 18:55

@LouPoppy28

I have also chose not to have the vaccine 🙋🏻‍♀️ & I know a lot of people that have chose not to too! So you’re certainly not the only one !

I won’t be participating in an experimental vaccine that has been around for less than a year. In fact it baffles me more so why people that are young and healthy would WANT to get the COVID vaccine?!? Is it just so they can go on holiday 🙄

I completely get why the clinically vulnerable and elderly are getting it. So I effect they should be protecting so why the need for young and healthy people to have it also?? And I’m sorry but my child will 100% not be having this trial vaccine until I know that it is safe!!

Also people need to get a grip… covid really isn’t that bad! Maybe you need to all open your eyes 👀

it's not experimental

getting it when you're not specifically vulnerable is the only way population level immunity can be generated, which will in turn benefit you personally (i.e, restrictions no longer needed to control transmission).

Mreggsworth · 10/07/2021 19:07

@LouPoppy28

Saying covid really isnt that bad is very offensive to those who have lost loved ones and are suffering long covid.

If it wasnt that bad why did ICU max capacity? in Italy and China why were people left to die in corridors and waiting rooms gasping for breath? Why have health care staff suffered PTSD from witnessing people die alone and in distress? why during the peak were the 111 and 999 phone lines flooded way beyond capacity of people terrified as they couldn't breath? Why is so much money being pumped into long covid support? Why are ENT, vestibur, auditory services reporting surges of unexplained hearing loss and balance issues in young adults? Also, increased reporting of long term respiratory and heart problems.

Think what you mean is it wasn't that bad for you. It wasn't bad for me either, I had it very mild but I can understand that my experience doesn't represent everyone's.

If you watched the news and saw it 'let rip' in countries such as Brazil/India there were images of bodies heaped up, people being treat on floors, and make shift morgues. I dunno how you can think that is 'not that bad'.

MyrrAgain · 10/07/2021 19:09

"I am very comfortable with my decision, but I'm just so sad that we now live in a world where the segregation of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is allowed, in both interpersonal relations and also looking more and more likely that services like restaurants and travel will be similarly restricted."

YES because I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a global pandemic going on.

Wtf do you expect. Good for them.

XenoBitch · 10/07/2021 19:13

@MyrrAgain

"I am very comfortable with my decision, but I'm just so sad that we now live in a world where the segregation of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is allowed, in both interpersonal relations and also looking more and more likely that services like restaurants and travel will be similarly restricted."

YES because I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a global pandemic going on.

Wtf do you expect. Good for them.

So my "friend" of many years calling me a selfish cunt and cutting off contact because I wont have the vaccine (severe trypanophobia) is fine... good for him, yeah?