Feeling so low about this new world of vaccines

[blue12345]

Just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as me? For many reasons, I've decided not to get the Covid vaccine. I' have all my vaccines and all my kids are vaccinated. I state this to show I'm not an anti-vaxxer, although I increasingly feel like one.

I'm feeling very isolated from my friends and family as a result of this. Everyone I meet asks me am I booked in yet, am I double-vaccinated. I don't bother getting into conversations about it , but it still causes me anxiety and has led to friction. A very close friend has asked me a few times have I got an appointment for my vaccine yet and I've tried to brush her off, as I think she will be unlikely to want to spend time around me after she finds out I'm not getting it. I've also found that lots of friends have cut back on their contact with me.

I am very comfortable with my decision, but I'm just so sad that we now live in a world where the segregation of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is allowed, in both interpersonal relations and also looking more and more likely that services like restaurants and travel will be similarly restricted.

@Bovrilly

I honestly think that some people aren't capable of doing something for others, especially people they don't know. You see it often on various threads. If you can't compute doing something for the greater good, it must not ring true when people say that's what they're doing. So you look for other reasons, usually sheeple, MSM / govt propaganda, not doing research, being frightened of Covid. (Which is actually a good reason to have the vaccine even if you don't have any feelings of social responsibility.)

Yes, I think you could be right. I remember a thread a while ago where the Op said she didn't believe that people who are left wing could genuinely care about helping other people and it must all be a lie.

most responses on this post are more medieval in the view of vaccination over antibodies

What does this mean? What is the medieval view of vaccination vs antibodies?

I remember a thread a while ago where the Op said she didn't believe that people who are left wing could genuinely care about helping other people and it must all be a lie.

That was one of the threads I had in mind - yes, completely baffled at the idea that not everyone is only looking out for themselves. "Why are you pretending, is it because you think it makes you look good" etc etc

[quote 1dayatatime]@blue12345

By any chance have you tried testing for antibodies which you can easily get online. You can easily get them from Superdrug, Lloyds and testing for all.com.

For travel most European countries require either proof of vaccination, positive antibody results or negative pcr in and out. These countries view having a positive antibody test as equivalent to the vaccine although I get your point that the UK and most responses on this post are more medieval in the view of vaccination over antibodies.

I don't fully understand the prejudice against those refusing the vaccine as ultimately if you do get Covid and become ill then that was your decision whilst those espousing the benefits of the vaccine would be OK.

But I get guess prejudice and discrimination go hand in hand with pandemics and at least it is an improvement on the persecution of Jewish people during the Black Death.[/quote]
To take the first half of your post and ignorising the offensive second part, for those refusing to have the vaccine and worried that your friends are distancing themselves for this reason, why don’t you offer to have an antibody test? This would demonstrate that you hear their concerns.

I don't think anyone saying they don't want to get the vaccine have been nasty on this thread. It's just abundantly clear that no matter what we say, why there are all kinds of reason for us to be wary of THIS vaccine only, not other vaccines, no one understands that there could possibly be another viewpoint.

I am very glad anyone who wants a vaccine in the UK can get one. I would fight forever so that you can all freely speak about why you want the vaccines and also freely discuss why I should also get it. Discussions and disagreements are important for society. Respect is also very important. I respect all of your opinions.

Pharmaceutical companies have made mistakes before. Medicines and vaccines have caused harm. Doctors have made mistakes. My life would be much easier if I would just take the vaccine and I wasn't worried about TTC and the thousands of women who have had issues with their menstrual cycle after getting vaccinated, even though zero data was collected on menstrual cycles during the vaccine trials.

I'm also worried about being pressured to vaccinate my young children this winter, in order for them to attend school.

I may very well get the vaccine next year, as I have always taken my other vaccines. All I'm asking for is a little more time to pass, to alleviate some of my anxieties and worries.

...even though zero data was collected on menstrual cycles during the vaccine trials.

I've seen this incorrect claim before on MN

@blue12345 why do you think this? All side effects were monitored during trials which included menstrual related symptoms.

I have only looked at the publications of the Pzifer clinical phases in detail, but they report this and you can clearly see there was no difference in rates between the placebo and treatment group.

@Bovrilly

Yes! I have to say I was actually quite surprised by that. I talk to people a lot about their political/ social views in my job and knew that I get a lot of socially desirable responses but had never fully realised that some people think it's all a trick! There truly is no such thing as society.

@leafyygreens

I definitely read it somewhere more legitimate than this article but I can't find a more reputable article to link to right now, but see below:

"There's a long history of us not doing a great job at studying women in research studies because of some of this complexity," said UCSF OBGYN, Dr. Heather Huddleston, who specializes in reproductive endocrinology.
Dr. Huddleston wishes the vaccine makers had collected data about menstrual cycles during the randomized trials.

abc7news.com/amp/covid-vaccine-menstrual-cycle-clinical-trials-and-side-effects-women/10557707/

I would love to see a link to the menstrual cycle data collected, If you happen to have it?

leafyygreens

I believe I said chose to have done or facilitated? Haven’t scrolled back.
It is a procedure frequently carried out by a qualified medic (frequently not) on a person’s body parts. It is both a medical procedure and child abuse.

All I'm asking for is a little more time to pass, to alleviate some of my anxieties and worries.

You can have as much time as you like, vaccination isn't compulsory. It's not all you're asking for though, is it, because in your OP your complaint was that your friends don't want to spend time with you. You want to refuse the vaccine without anyone thinking badly of you, but your friends have just as much right to do what's best for them as you do.

Yes, I think you could be right. I remember a thread a while ago where the Op said she didn't believe that people who are left wing could genuinely care about helping other people and it must all be a lie.

being left wing has never been about 'helping other people' though. It's about taking power from those who have it already and redistributing more fairly. And in most cases it has resulted in exactly the opposite of caring for others. Those who claim to work for or on behalf of 'society' are most often working for an agenda they want to impose on the rest of us.

@leafyygreens yes a link to that menstrual data would be really great to see.

All I'm asking for is a little more time to pass, to alleviate some of my anxieties and worries.

But you’re not putting yourself into voluntary lockdown for that period are you?

You’re relying on everyone else to get over their anxiety and worries, take all the necessary risks for you, while you benefit from their efforts.

Is it very surprising people aren’t impressed by that?

People can respect your views and decide to spend less time with you. It's that simple.

Those who claim to work for or on behalf of 'society' are most often working for an agenda they want to impose on the rest of us.

Uh oh, we've got another one.
Altruism deniers, assemble!

Your reasoning in your last post is much more understandable and forgivable.

Last but one post

@NearlyAlwaysInsane

What do you think the motivation is for wanting to fairly redistribute resources and wealth?

@Bovrilly

I'm desperately wracking my brains to figure out the hidden agenda of my neighbour who runs a food bank. Selfish bitch!

@NearlyAlwaysInsane

Why have you written 'society' instead of society?

[quote FindYourPorpoise]@Bovrilly

I'm desperately wracking my brains to figure out the hidden agenda of my neighbour who runs a food bank. Selfish bitch! [/quote]
Obviously trying to impose an agenda on the rest of us, it's despicable!

@Bovrilly
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Why have you written 'society' instead of society?*

Because society is a construct invented by people who pretend to care about others but who secretly all have hidden agendas and are the most selfish people of all. Or some such bullshit.

I hope @NearlyAlwaysInsane comes back to tell us soon. It would be a shame if they waited until the thread was full and lost the chance to explain.

@CharleyChook

Me not having the vaccine does not mean I have answers for what should be done

And there we have it 🤷🏻‍♀️“You can do it if you want. That doesn’t mean I have to contribute. I can opt out because I’m relying on you muppets to keep me safe. Plus I can call you out as being sheeples. Go me!”

Fuck off! @XenoBitch. Apt name btw.

You commented a lot on another post where I said the reason I am unable to have the vaccine. So how does me being unable to have it suddenly mean that I have the answers? Where did I say people are "sheeple!" or that I am relying on other people to keep me safe? Go on, quote me.

Also, I note you are the A&E staff who is signing a petition to turn away unvaccinated Covid patients. And you have the audacity to call me a bitch.

@XenoBitch I hope you aren't hurt by the mean comments towards you. I think you've said that you are phobic about needles, that is a completely valid choice and and one you need to make for your mental health.

People who don't recognise that are showing their true colours.

[quote blue12345]@XenoBitch I hope you aren't hurt by the mean comments towards you. I think you've said that you are phobic about needles, that is a completely valid choice and and one you need to make for your mental health.

People who don't recognise that are showing their true colours. [/quote]
Thank you @blue12345

There is a total failure to understand something by people who have not had experience themselves.

This whole vaccine thing is bringing this to light, and like yourself, it is making me feel very low. The people who have shown kindness and understanding have been people in similar situations, or for whatever reason feel the vaccine is not for them... be that they are very anxious or have had bad experiences in the past.

The "pro-vaxx" crowd have been the ones to call names, sling around the word 'selfish' like it is going out of fashion, and generally being nasty. No attempt to understand at all.