Feeling so low about this new world of vaccines

[blue12345]

Just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as me? For many reasons, I've decided not to get the Covid vaccine. I' have all my vaccines and all my kids are vaccinated. I state this to show I'm not an anti-vaxxer, although I increasingly feel like one.

I'm feeling very isolated from my friends and family as a result of this. Everyone I meet asks me am I booked in yet, am I double-vaccinated. I don't bother getting into conversations about it , but it still causes me anxiety and has led to friction. A very close friend has asked me a few times have I got an appointment for my vaccine yet and I've tried to brush her off, as I think she will be unlikely to want to spend time around me after she finds out I'm not getting it. I've also found that lots of friends have cut back on their contact with me.

I am very comfortable with my decision, but I'm just so sad that we now live in a world where the segregation of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is allowed, in both interpersonal relations and also looking more and more likely that services like restaurants and travel will be similarly restricted.

Im choosing ignoring the conspiracy theory content in the rest of your post but I'm interested in this ....

I have a feeling a lot of people are going to regret having their vaccines in years to come, but only hindsight will prove me correct.

Why? Why will people regret being vaccinated?

@Postdatedpandemic

Thank you *@remmy6* I think that may be the most persuasive post I have ever seen to encourage people to step away from the fruit loops and be vaccinated.

@FreeBritnee

Agree. I had the swine flu jab over a decade ago whilst pregnant and that had not been tested on pregnant women.

Can’t say me or my son lose sleep over that jab.

[quote blue12345]@BoredZelda I have no judgement about anyone else's decisions at all. It's just how my own decision is making other people act towards me. I have no form for this either, I am very traditional in most areas of my life.

I just err on the side of caution with anything I put into my body. No alcohol/smoking/drugs
no painkillers, no hormonal contraceptives and try not to take antibiotics unless very ill, so 1 in the last decade. [/quote]
OP I am sorry you are feeling upset.
May I ask you a genuine question? Do you think we should all have the right to take the same stance about putting vaccines into our bodies as you? And, if so, how do you think we should deal with the pandemic?
Two friends told me last week that they have opted out of the vaccine. I was surprised and while I haven't said anything, my opinion of them has changed slightly, in that I believe this is a selfish action.

If you edit the numbers in this statement, you could literally write the same thing about the Covid-19 disease itself.

Sure, but the difference in numbers is enormous.

1300 versus nearly 150,000 or something.

@remmy6

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Well no, because the 150,000 people who have died of covid according to verified death certificates - ie not just 'with covid' - stand in stark relief to 1300 people who died after a vaccine given to tens of millions, with no causal link proven.

@remmy6

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Talking about other people being brainwashed and then mentioning The Great Reset yourself is very, very funny. And a bit embarrassing.

Whereas your idea that others getting vaccinated to protect the no-vaxxers is plain offensive.

But crack on.

Given the last few posts, I take back what I said about shills on MN. If people really were being paid to post this stuff, even the whacko-ist of organisations would be asking them for their 7p per post back.

I have had both jabs. Tested positive last night.
Rough as hell.
Terrified tbh.

The definition of vaccine has been evolving ever since people were given cow pox to protect against small pox, tis the way science works.

@remmy6- if you pop your last post a out vaccine definitions changing into Google and scroll down to about the 6th bit, you'll find a useful fact-check on why that's not an issue.

@Postdatedpandemic

The definition of vaccine has been evolving ever since people were given cow pox to protect against small pox, tis the way science works.

Quite. But don't let's spoil Chicken Licken's day. So much fun still to be had.

I’m sure at some point the newer generation of vaccines will be considered old news. At some point something has to be new and groundbreaking like aeroplanes and the internet. It’s all scary at the beginning and dull as fuck towards the end.

I’m sure you’re super keen on scaring people because it justifies your own reticence to have the vaccine. It’s what we say to ourselves to stay firm in our decision making. Unfortunately at some point you just end up looking a bit silly and find yourself reading QAnon forums and nodding along vigorously while everyone else has just moved on.

I'm not endangering them.
You are though. Or, even if not them directly, other people more vulnerable who they might come into contact with.

YABU.

Nothing has fundamentally changed since we spent time together in other lulls in the Pandemic, when case rates were higher and the vulnerable and elderly were unvaccinated.

This is one of the most frustrating parts about the whole thing. People behaving like they’re more^ at risk now than they were pre-vaccine. Completely illogical.

OP, for you this is 'one view point' that doesn't reflect who you are. But for me, it isn't. I think your position on this is considered by your friends to reflect a lot more about you.

I see non-vaccination as a sign of prioritising your own personal wellbeing over the greater good of society. You not vaccinating makes us all a little worse off, a little less safe than we could be. It would make me wonder in what other areas of life you are a freerider on other people's efforts. Where else are you not a team player? Where else are you happy to endanger other people's wellbeing, however little, out of personal convenience?

So yes, it is not just the 'one thing' for me. This one decision reflects your wider priorities that throws up a range of other questions about your character. Every single person among your friends will have made numerous sacrifices over the last year and a half. Seeing the country in less good shape than we could be because of selfish behaviour will grind on them.

Not taking a vaccine is akin to avoiding taxes and other forms of 'cheating the system'. But the potential repercussions here are even greater, as it can literally affect someone else's (or even several people's) health or very life. 'My body, my choice' becomes a bit hypocritical when your choice literally starts endangering other people's bodies. Refusal to vaccinate is not a victimless crime.

I get the fear. All this stuff is scary. But I am writing this as someone with a blood issue whose risk of having an adverse reaction to a vaccine was much higher than the normal population's. I still took it as I wanted to be part of the solution, not of the problem.

@bumbleymummy

Nothing has fundamentally changed since we spent time together in other lulls in the Pandemic, when case rates were higher and the vulnerable and elderly were unvaccinated.

This is one of the most frustrating parts about the whole thing. People behaving like they’re more^ at risk now than they were pre-vaccine. Completely illogical.

I don't think people are necessarily behaving like that tbf. I think it's just frustrating that this really could be made better very soon but the same people who have been saying they "can't go on" since last year are often the same ones who want others to make the sacrifices.

Summary of MN since March 2020

I can't go on!
Wear a mask, if we all wear masks, rates will go down and we'll be out of this sooner.

Can't wear a mask/won't wear a mask/if you're wearing a mask, why should I?/face muzzle. Only thing that's going to work is a vaccine! You're all sheep!

Social Distancing- if you don't get to close to people this will be over sooner!

But it's my child's birthday! I am so done with this! The only thing that will work is a vaccine! You're all sheep!

Here's a vaccine!

Not having a vaccine. Why should I have a vaccine if you've had a vaccine? You're all sheep!

Sprinkle in a few Great Reset/Great Barrington Declaration/my next door neighbour went and DIED after the vaccine conspiracies and yes, I think we probably are all fucked.

@Geamhradh I do not believe the anxiety on MN over vaccines is representative of the real world, so I doubt we are as fucked as it appears. IRL every single person I know has taken it, except the friend I mentioned. And she is going to take it before winter.

True. I don't know anyone like this in real life either. So I'll keep poking my fact check stick through their bars on here.

Ok, I'm just going to step away from this post now, I was silly to think this could be discussed with people in a calm fashion.

Having heard all the arguments, I am now much braver about discussing my reasons with my friends, as I can see what some of their private views are now based on your comments. It's easier to talk to them about when I know what their very worst thoughts are.

If you edit the numbers in this statement, you could literally write the same thing about the Covid-19 disease itself.

Looks like this post has been deleted but yes, exactly, great idea! Do the same sum with the figures for Covid, including for young people, and compare the risks. Even if we all agree that every death reported after a vaccination was caused by it, the risks of vaccination are lower.

Actually I probably know more irl not having the vaccine than are, all for various reasons. (From a variety of backgrounds and education including HCPs)

MN is not representative of general attitude towards those choosing to wait. Nobody has to lie about vaccine status you can simply tell people that it’s private information you do not wish to share.

[quote MareofBeasttown]@Geamhradh I do not believe the anxiety on MN over vaccines is representative of the real world, so I doubt we are as fucked as it appears. IRL every single person I know has taken it, except the friend I mentioned. And she is going to take it before winter.[/quote]
I find this too, my friends, family, Co professionals have all commented about having had their vaccine and hoping to get back to normal.
Only one neighbour, fruit loops on social media and some on mn seem anti vaccine.