Feeling so low about this new world of vaccines

[blue12345]

Just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as me? For many reasons, I've decided not to get the Covid vaccine. I' have all my vaccines and all my kids are vaccinated. I state this to show I'm not an anti-vaxxer, although I increasingly feel like one.

I'm feeling very isolated from my friends and family as a result of this. Everyone I meet asks me am I booked in yet, am I double-vaccinated. I don't bother getting into conversations about it , but it still causes me anxiety and has led to friction. A very close friend has asked me a few times have I got an appointment for my vaccine yet and I've tried to brush her off, as I think she will be unlikely to want to spend time around me after she finds out I'm not getting it. I've also found that lots of friends have cut back on their contact with me.

I am very comfortable with my decision, but I'm just so sad that we now live in a world where the segregation of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is allowed, in both interpersonal relations and also looking more and more likely that services like restaurants and travel will be similarly restricted.

It is no one's business if you are vaccinated of not. People really need to get off their high horse!!!

@Elys3

I don’t think anyone is dictating what others puts into their body and their decisions are theirs to make, but equally, we don’t have to respect someone’s offensive views and have a right to choose our friendships.

Agree with this you’ve made your choice you gonna have to live with the consequences of that I’d be giving you a wide birth too quite frankly

@blue12345 you are an anti-vaxxer now.
Embrace it or do something about it.

You are an anti-vaxxer

[quote blue12345]@MiddleParking But I know my uncle's
friend and have met him on multiple occasions? He's not some stranger?

You also skipped over my cousin and friend, also part of my extended circle? Do you not believe me about them either?

Anyway, I have spent hours on this thread, not trying to change anyone's opinion, but just trying to show that there are different perspectives on everything. Nothing is black and white. It is just so odd to me, that some people on this thread would brand someone
who has always had their vaccines as an anti-vaxxer.

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I don’t believe that you know three people who have had serious vaccine side effects, or that what you’ve said demonstrates anything about the relative risk of being vaccinated vs not being vaccinated. My then-newborn daughter had a scary reaction to her six week vaccines that made her have a fit. That didn’t change my feelings about vaccines being a good thing that everyone who possibly can should get.

You haven’t always had your vaccines you’re literally currently not doing that.

Grim isn’t it @Bovrilly ?

According to the OP if you are unlucky enough to be old, or immunocompromised, or have a disability that puts you in the shielding category, your life and quality of life is worth less.

According to the OP if you are unlucky enough to be old, or immunocompromised, or have a disability that puts you in the shielding category, your life and quality of life is worth less.

It's shocking and incredibly selfish.

If someone chooses not to get vaccinated, then it is absolutely my right to choose not to spend time with them.

@blue12345

Why is no one commenting on the numerous people on this thread who have given examples of vaccine side effects?

Everyone just skips over that.

As I've said repeatedly, if I really was as selfish as you are all saying, I wouldn't have bothered vaccinating any of my kids or myself. I wouldn't bother giving blood, as there is a risk to myself.

But I do those things. So I'm not some selfish person, I am just being cautious for a vaccine that in my eyes, is more of a risk to me than catching Covid would. It's not just about me, it's about my kids having a healthy mother and I have to make my risk assessment based on the information before me.

Scientific data says your eyes are wrong.

Anecdotes from Brenda down the street whose periods have gone doollally, MNers who (to a large extent) are either shills or the type of person who puts "after effects from vaccine" into Google and then links the first bit (invariably a fake story that a two second fact check can unmask) are wrong.

There's a MN who keeps posting sadface DM stories about individuals and barking at MNers demanding to know what they're going to do for poor sadface person. You click through and the articles linked even say "doctors have said there is no link between Mrs X being so sick but Mr X wants his compensation" etc. A lot of people (especially those on here who just seem to go for any redtop clickbait headline like a dog down a rabbit hole) just are incapable of critical thinking.

With freedom comes responsibilities. That's kind of the nice thing about a democracy. You have the freedom not to be vaccinated. You then deal with the fact that others think that makes you selfish, egotistical and wanting without being prepared to give.

It isn't so much the not taking it, as the reasons for not taking it for me. My 22 year old niece is ttc. She's decided not to take if for the time being and I understand that. One of my friends has decided not to take it because she is not 'sheeple' and its all part of the Great Reset, etc. I have no patience with that. It isn't the fact she is unvaccinated, rather than her general views and attitude around the whole pandemic that make me want to spend less time with her.

Shills . Then yellow card scheme isn’t a real thing. 1300 people have died from this vaccine, it’s fine for people to have reservations. Though that does mean you may have to curtail your life and social circle. OP accept that, but know you’re not alone in feeling uneasy.

@Sleeplessinsaltend

Shills . Then yellow card scheme isn’t a real thing. 1300 people have died from this vaccine, it’s fine for people to have reservations. Though that does mean you may have to curtail your life and social circle. OP accept that, but know you’re not alone in feeling uneasy.

Which 1300 people?

These ones?

www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-yellowcard-idUSL2N2NX2BC

@Sleeplessinsaltend
Where do you get 1300 from? Can you post some data?

Op you know that you are in the minority, deal with it.

Travel has been restricted by immunisation requirements for a very long, this isn’t new. (Yellow fever etc).

There is a simple way out of this, OP. Get your head out of your arse and get double jabbed, then you won't be restricted.

1300 people have died from this vaccine

That figure actually relates to how many people died following a Covid-19 vaccine, not necessarily because of it. Considering that 45.5 million people have had their first dose, that’s how many we would have expected to die from other causes in that time. There is no proof that those deaths were caused by the vaccine.

Yes we know about the rare blood clots and low platelet deaths, but the are very, very rare.

@Sleeplessinsaltend

Shills . Then yellow card scheme isn’t a real thing. 1300 people have died from this vaccine, it’s fine for people to have reservations. Though that does mean you may have to curtail your life and social circle. OP accept that, but know you’re not alone in feeling uneasy.

1300 people have not died from this vaccine. 1300 people may have died after having the vaccine, but people die all the time and until recently, it was mostly older and sicker people who'd had it - and therefore more likely to die of anything.

Did you know if you start reading anti-vax stuff on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram it keeps showing you more and more and more? It's fascinating and terrifying. Maybe choose your news sources more carefully.

Ah thank you @Geamhradh

So roughly 1300 out of 39M people who have had at least one dose of the vaccine.

Even if every death reported to the yellow card scheme was caused by the vaccine, that's a 0.003% chance. It's much less risky than the virus.

DD, in her early 30s, was of the same view as you regarding the vaccine, OP. Fit and well, she felt her personal risk of becoming ill with Covid was low and decided not to have it.... Her choice.
She is currently the most sick she has ever been in her life, probably catching the virus last weekend. Not hospitalised right now but it's been touch and go, and may yet be necessary. She is very frightened.
She is a single parent. Her DC is isolating at home with her, well so far but very worried about her mum. DC cannot see the rest of the family including her Dad and her half siblings as she could be a risk to them if she develops the illness. The risk of her doing so is high, confined at home with a sick mum.
This is all going on right now, a few days after becoming infected, disregarding the possibility of long term illness in either DD or her child.
If you can't see the need to vaccinate for the greater good, do it for yourself and your loved ones.

OP I held out for a long time and then I just have my head a wobble and got on with it. The case numbers are jumping so quickly now the likelihood is that you’re going to get it. I made my decision after thinking I was incredibly robust but then taking ages to get rid of a bad cold. I suddenly recognised I wasn’t quite as Teflon as I thought and I didn’t fancy catching the flu of I could help it.

Second jab next week 👌

Hmmmm 'you should be confident your vaccine has worked' is actually a classic anti-vaxxer line.

It's based on some fundamental misconceptions about how vaccines work that are commonly held by those who know virtually nothing about them but have strong opinions regardless.

Thank you @remmy6 I think that may be the most persuasive post I have ever seen to encourage people to step away from the fruit loops and be vaccinated.

I have a feeling a lot of people are going to regret having their vaccines in years to come, but only hindsight will prove me correct.

We tend not to sit around ruing the day we had our measles vaccine of meningitis vaccine, that whooping cough vaccine tends not to keep me up at night, nor my son having the chicken pox vaccine, so I suspect the covid vaccine will hardly register as interesting 10 years from now.