Austalian state likely can't contain Delta, will let it rip

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www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-07/nsw-delta-variant-may-never-be-controlled/100273956

Be thankful that here most vulnerable people are double jabbed, whereas over there it's far, far fewer.

Delta cannot be contained, it's too transmissible.

It is a global effort, and acknowledging that basic fact is not somehow 'bashing the UK'. Bizarroworld.

@callinda

Well I notice that when Brits on the thread talked about scientific progress it was fine; it was just "pride".

However when an Australian talked about our scientific progress here it was "doing the UK down" and unacceptable. Why are some people determined to turn everything into a competition?

Having concerns about AZ vaccine is not "bashing" the UK - it's no reflection on anyone's national character.

Concerns about AstraZeneca isn’t uk bashing and I didn’t say it was. We have to be transparent about vaccines and their relative merits and risks.

I didn’t read the post I responded to as raising legitimate and constructive concerns about a vaccine, the tone was snarky and unpleasant and cast inaccurate aspersions about generally held views in the UK.

I love Australia and have spent extended periods of time there. I think their covid response has generally been excellent, not perfect and they’ve made mistakes recently, but in general they’ve smashed it out of the park. Im not turning this into a competition, just calling out total bullshit from one poster.

I think one particular phrase was that Australia is "standing on the shoulder of giants", maybe some of the responses were triggered by that.

There’s a fair bit of talk here in the U.K. about the situation in Australia atm, it’s on radio shows, newspaper columns etc and you do get the impression from the daily mail et al that it’s all armed police harrasing elderly people not wearing masks which seems very authoritarian and the over the top. But then we had police officers here harassing women drinking coffee last summer which was also not really representative so I am quite sure the overwhelming majority of Aussies are going about their business as best they can, just like we are.
I try and read the Aussie press toget a more balanced view.
I find The Guardian here in the U.K. to be quite negative to Australia generally so I take what they say with a pinch of salt too. I don’t know why this is, politics no doubt. The guardian love New Zealand however, generally report positively.

@milkyaqua

It is a global effort, and acknowledging that basic fact is not somehow 'bashing the UK'. Bizarroworld.

You really don’t like it if AZ success is linked to U.K. in any way?

It has to be stated as global effort to you?

Yeh I find that odd.

I find The Guardian here in the U.K. to be quite negative to Australia generally

To be fair they try to do the same to U.K. daily.

@milkyaqua

It is a global effort, and acknowledging that basic fact is not somehow 'bashing the UK'. Bizarroworld.

No, implying everyone in the uk (on MN at least) thinks we have singledhandedly saved the world is UK bashing.

There was great international co-operation on the vaccine and in particular I have posted expressing my gratitude to the volunteers outside of the UK eg in Brazil who risked themselves for the trials. If you think every single country in the world played an equal effort in Oxford AstraZeneca, and no country can be said to have led the way, then good luck to you, I can’t be bothered to argue with such ignorance.

@MarshaBradyo

I find The Guardian here in the U.K. to be quite negative to Australia generally

To be fair they try to do the same to U.K. daily.

This is very true. They hate the U.K. as much if not more

I think some of the conversation about Australia has to be seen in the context that the UK has some very prominent voices pushing for zero covid, notably from iSage. This has been a very heated discussion in the UK as to whether it could work for us, and if it isn’t going to work for Australia longer term with Delta then that lends weight to those in the UK saying zero covid isn’t a viable strategy here.

I’m sure there are some dickheads who are jealous of the freedoms Aussies have had who are just pleased to see lockdowns over there. I also think that a lot of the interest in seeing zero covid becoming less viable for Australia is because it’s relevant to a discussion we are having about zero covid’s viability here in the UK.

Sasha yep

I’m surprised they don’t use Aus as another stick to bash us with but best not give them ideas ;

The AZ trial went to South Africa and Brazil but later on ( mostly as Covid had pretty much disappeared in the U.K. last summer and do not enough of us volunteers were getting infected!)
The researchers had to chase the virus around the world.
The Brazil trial was pretty big iirc.

&You really don’t like it if AZ success is linked to U.K. in any way?

What? I have no idea what you're on about. Are you drunk? You have made weird segue after weird huffy segue on this thread.

All of this began a page (if you read 100 posts per page) ago, with the odd unexplained statement:

It’s probably also because the UK has a really strong scientific community. One of the best in the world.

I mentioned, in a lengthy post, all the contributions made by Australian scientists to the global search for a solution to this pandemic. I shall repeat it for your helpfully here:

However... It was an Australian scientist, a virologist in Sydney who was working with Chinese scientists on piecing the genetic code of the virus together, who once they'd cracked it, with his colleagues' agreement, released the bat genome sequence online to the world on January 11, 2020 - which was the starting point in the global fightback against Covid.

This release of information allowed the companies who later produce the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines to start designing their vaccines - that very weekend in fact - on the basis of that genome sequence.

The Doherty Institute in Melbourne were the first outside of China to grow the virus in the lab, and they shared their virus samples with the world, leading as a reference strain for creating diagnostic tests, working out which antivirals might be effective against it, and the development of vaccines, etc etc.

Those standard images you see of the Covid-19 coronavirus were first seen under electron microscope by Australian scientists, and were shared with the world.

...And so on. How you take from that, and anything else I have said on this thread, that I am trying to do the UK down or disparage the UK's involvement in its AZ vaccine is just impossible for me to understand.

It is a global effort, it is a global pandemic.

@SlipperyDippery

I think some of the conversation about Australia has to be seen in the context that the UK has some very prominent voices pushing for zero covid, notably from iSage. This has been a very heated discussion in the UK as to whether it could work for us, and if it isn’t going to work for Australia longer term with Delta then that lends weight to those in the UK saying zero covid isn’t a viable strategy here.

I’m sure there are some dickheads who are jealous of the freedoms Aussies have had who are just pleased to see lockdowns over there. I also think that a lot of the interest in seeing zero covid becoming less viable for Australia is because it’s relevant to a discussion we are having about zero covid’s viability here in the UK.

This is very true just like Sweden was the poster child for lockdown sceptics hence we all looked at Sweden and analysed them incessantly. It’s just politics like everything else!

@milkyaqua

&You really don’t like it if AZ success is linked to U.K. in any way?

What? I have no idea what you're on about. Are you drunk? You have made weird segue after weird huffy segue on this thread.

All of this began a page (if you read 100 posts per page) ago, with the odd unexplained statement:

It’s probably also because the UK has a really strong scientific community. One of the best in the world.

I mentioned, in a lengthy post, all the contributions made by Australian scientists to the global search for a solution to this pandemic. I shall repeat it for your helpfully here:

However... It was an Australian scientist, a virologist in Sydney who was working with Chinese scientists on piecing the genetic code of the virus together, who once they'd cracked it, with his colleagues' agreement, released the bat genome sequence online to the world on January 11, 2020 - which was the starting point in the global fightback against Covid.

This release of information allowed the companies who later produce the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines to start designing their vaccines - that very weekend in fact - on the basis of that genome sequence.

The Doherty Institute in Melbourne were the first outside of China to grow the virus in the lab, and they shared their virus samples with the world, leading as a reference strain for creating diagnostic tests, working out which antivirals might be effective against it, and the development of vaccines, etc etc.

Those standard images you see of the Covid-19 coronavirus were first seen under electron microscope by Australian scientists, and were shared with the world.

...And so on. How you take from that, and anything else I have said on this thread, that I am trying to do the UK down or disparage the UK's involvement in its AZ vaccine is just impossible for me to understand.

It is a global effort, it is a global pandemic.

Lol I stopped reading at are you drunk. Were you the one going on about WW2? Weirdly

Some waffle followed no doubt.

I think Aus invented the lft’s we use in vast quantities here the U.K.

milky

Is that response to me, or to the poster you responded to because we are different!

I haven’t said the UK singlehandedly did anything, and have expressly on this thread and others acknowledged the contribution of others. But to say that the UK didn’t spearhead this vaccine or play the biggest role in developing it (because it did) is as ridiculous as saying no one outside of the UK played any role in it at all.

My post about UK bashing was about your generalisation that “MN posters in the UK” think we “singlehandedly saved the world”. I’ve asked you for receipts for that stupid comment and I’ve not been given them.

marsha no that was different poster about WW2 quoting milky, but a) it shows the kind of intellectual level that milky’s post appeals to and b) that poster did at least say “some” in the UK think that about WW2.

But to say that the UK didn’t spearhead this vaccine or play the biggest role in developing it (because it did) is as ridiculous as saying no one outside of the UK played any role in it at all.

Sweet Jesus. Nobody has at any point said anything along the lines of the UK not 'spearheading' AZ or developing or trialling it.

The pair of you are excelling in grabbing the wrong end of the stick.

@SlipperyDippery

I think some of the conversation about Australia has to be seen in the context that the UK has some very prominent voices pushing for zero covid, notably from iSage. This has been a very heated discussion in the UK as to whether it could work for us, and if it isn’t going to work for Australia longer term with Delta then that lends weight to those in the UK saying zero covid isn’t a viable strategy here.

I’m sure there are some dickheads who are jealous of the freedoms Aussies have had who are just pleased to see lockdowns over there. I also think that a lot of the interest in seeing zero covid becoming less viable for Australia is because it’s relevant to a discussion we are having about zero covid’s viability here in the UK.

Yes, and this has led to months of posts predicting certain doom for Aus/NZ at every step. First it was - there will never be a vaccine, then they have to open up sometime, then Delta can't be contained, there will be lots of deaths, or if not not deaths then you will be scared to come out of your houses and economy will be shot. UK has led the way and you lot have shut your ears to the suffering, the price of your normality. Ex-convicts, rule-obsessed, humourless etc etc. So much negativity. I mean just read the thread objectively. And this is just one out of many many. So it has become a little wearying over time. and if we try to counter this with anything positive or factual then we are "smug, crowing, doing the UK down".

Some threads/posts are genuinely concerned about Aus. Some definitely are not. See the one above where Op celebrated NZ babies being in hospital.

@SlipperyDippery

milky

Is that response to me, or to the poster you responded to because we are different!

I haven’t said the UK singlehandedly did anything, and have expressly on this thread and others acknowledged the contribution of others. But to say that the UK didn’t spearhead this vaccine or play the biggest role in developing it (because it did) is as ridiculous as saying no one outside of the UK played any role in it at all.

My post about UK bashing was about your generalisation that “MN posters in the UK” think we “singlehandedly saved the world”. I’ve asked you for receipts for that stupid comment and I’ve not been given them.

marsha no that was different poster about WW2 quoting milky, but a) it shows the kind of intellectual level that milky’s post appeals to and b) that poster did at least say “some” in the UK think that about WW2.

Right. Yes it’s all a bit stupid.

The WW2 post was in the realms of ridiculous.

@milkyaqua

But to say that the UK didn’t spearhead this vaccine or play the biggest role in developing it (because it did) is as ridiculous as saying no one outside of the UK played any role in it at all.

Sweet Jesus. Nobody has at any point said anything along the lines of the UK not 'spearheading' AZ or developing or trialling it.

The pair of you are excelling in grabbing the wrong end of the stick.

I’ve read your posts back and am quite happy that I’ve got the correct end of the stick based on the words you used

First it was - there will never be a vaccine

We had all this and more don’t worry.

Then countless why couldn’t we do as Aus / NZ

Endless criticism there has at least been some haven’t they done better re there

@sashagabadon

I think Aus invented the lft’s we use in vast quantities here the U.K.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the Aussies invented invention.

To be fair the U.K. also has to put up with a fair bit of other countries/ commentators predicting doom for the U.K.. so we feel your pain
it seemed almost a world wide effort to get Boris to delay the reopening on the 19th. We were bombarded with people telling us it was going to be Armageddon. We had a widely publicised letter from 1200 world wide scientists warning us of the impending disaster ( that never happened) . I read an opinion piece in a New Zealand paper saying the U.K. should be sued for our reckless behaviour
I bet Swedes also get very fed up with everyone commenting on their “ no lockdown “ strategy which was never doing nothing at all / no lockdown anyway.
It’s just what humans do imo and it’s best to ignore it.
I’ve noticed the U.K. has dropped off the international Rada again thank goodness.
Once Australia gets things sorted, it’ll also no longer be newsworthy and the world will move on to criticising another country.

callinda

That negativity hasn’t come from me and I have acknowledged there are those idiots around. They are bang out of order and comments about convicts etc is just pure xenophobia.

There are however also people from Aus/NZ who have been crowing. That is vile.

In terms of doing down the uk, I took issue with someone saying UK MN posters all think we have singlehandedly saved the world and I stand by my opinion that this was an unfair and provocative comment. I don’t agree that the comments about the UK are all factual.

There is too much at stake here in terms of human suffering for anyone to want anything other than the best for everyone else regardless of how they’ve approached covid. My family in Aus tell me someone in their 20s died of covid there. It’s fucking horrible and anyone engaging in point scoring or giving a fuck about being proven right or wrong is a cunt.

I’ve read your posts back and am quite happy that I’ve got the correct end of the stick based on the words you used

Given you have misinterpreted my tone, and clearly by your own example misinterpreted my words, I really don't think you have a strong skillset in reading and comprehension.