100,000 cases a day by August....bloody hell

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We're all going to get it eventually it seems

@Tealightsandd

Negligent manslaughter aside, there's going to be a lot of Long Covid disabled.

By the time the full extent of the Long Covid impact on health and economy is apparent, Boris will have done a Cameron. He won't stick around to face the consequences. Unfortunately for Long Covid patients, that option of just opting out won't be possible.

Is every world leader to blame for the cases of Covid in their country ? What could they possibly have done?

@LucilleTheVampireBat

As others have said, the NHS cannot cope with the extra cases as it struggles to deal with backlogs i.e. Exeter District hospital has just been put into red alert due to AE pressures, staff shortages, we don't have european levels of healthcare

It is also due to delays with discharging patients who have no onward care (so not due to covid) and pressures across paediatric services (not covid). Paint an accurate picture, not one that screams RD&E is on RED ALERT COZ OF COVID.

Luckily the Health and Social Care Minister has just implement and more importantly funded a massive plan for social care so this will soon not be an issue.

[quote LawnFever]Reporting numbers is not scaremongering. It's factual. It's literally the reality of what's happened on a particular day

It's no more scaremongering than the days weather or how many births there were.

Reporting just the number of cases alone doesn’t give a true picture, they should be reporting the number of hospitalisations which gives a more useful idea of how many people are actually very ill.

Cases are rising but hospitalisations are dropping because of the vaccine, so the number of cases alone isn’t a useful piece of information unless it’s in context.

Useful info here,

Fewer than one in 1,000 infections is now leading to a death - compared with one in 60 last winter.
www.bbc.com/news/health-57694918[/quote]
They are literally reporting all the data you've just listed, and more. The govt dashboard reports:

• the number of daily cases
• the number of tests carried out
• the number of hospitalisations
• the number of deaths
• the number of vaccines given

And it breaks these down in a number of ways for you.

How have you not seen this yet?

Again - reporting numbers of daily cases is not scaremongering.

I am more worried about one sixth of the country in self-isolation, no matter that they are double-vaccinated, while others are free to go on holiday and not even quarantine on their return.

Guardian says 10 million may be isolating soon.

Even NHS track and trace say that self-isolation of close contacts who are not household members is not compulsory when you call them. And they are taking a very dim view of the whole year-groups 'self-isolations' of pupils who are not even close contacts. In fact, when i spoke to them yesterday they could not believe this was going on still.

I am sorry for CV and CEV under-16s who the government still haven't vaccinated - this is a total scandal and I can't believe the media isn't making more of this. These vulnerable young people need vaccinating asap.

Seeing how nobody is following current rules, are you supposed? So many gathered last weekend and will again tonight, the teenagers have been in and out of each other's houses and holding big indoor parties around here - secondary school was shut down Monday, all sent home to isolate so yesterday the beach was heaving with teens! 4 years are home from primary too

@purplepoppet92

As someone working for the NHS I tend to find this difficult to swallow. What does that even mean? The staff looking after patients ARE overwhelmed. Not in terms of ward capacity but they are burned out and on their knees. Yet expected to soldier on regardless. There seems to be a view of the NHS as a robotic system and basing what overwhelmed looks like on resource, but no consideration at all for those on the floor who have not recovered from the last 18 months.

But the government in their generosity have suggested a 1% pay rise, that'll make all the difference.

1% for NHS staff 8% for pensioners !

I know a grp of 5 friends, all double jabbed, who went out for a drink last week and 4 of them now have Covid. The one who hasn't got it has deffo already had Covid on top of the vac.
Seems like it's just the way it's going to be.

Luckily the Health and Social Care Minister has just implement and more importantly funded a massive plan for social care so this will soon not be an issue.

Is that sarcasm ? I can't tell.

@sailmeaway

I know a grp of 5 friends, all double jabbed, who went out for a drink last week and 4 of them now have Covid. The one who hasn't got it has deffo already had Covid on top of the vac. Seems like it's just the way it's going to be.

How unwell are they (out of interest)?

@CrouchEndTiger12

Out of population of almost 70 million, 100000 cases that's what 0.14% of the population with covid. That's staggeringly low.

No it's not. Those are new cases every day and not counting those who are asymptomatic or don't bother to test themselves. There could easily be 10 times that with covid at any one time, probably more.

@User135644

Are you saying everyone was ill in March 20?

They are literally reporting all the data you've just listed, and more. The govt dashboard reports:

- the number of daily cases
- the number of tests carried out
- the number of hospitalisations
- the number of deaths
- the number of vaccines given

And it breaks these down in a number of ways for you.

How have you not seen this yet?

Again - reporting numbers of daily cases is not scaremongering.

This! ^^

No one can claim the data is being suppressed.

It's there and it's in full colour, including interactive charts, maps, the lot.

You can even check how many people are on ventilators in your local NHS trust, which might be a single hospital in many less populated areas.

There is no hiding of the full data, if you can be bothered to look at it.

And what of the people who's cancer was missed or treatment delayed, heart surgery cancelled, etc etc etc

I suspect that they're just expected to get on with dying quietly, grateful for any treatment crumbs thrown their way. After all, as with the many more smoking, alcohol and obesity related deaths they don't have what the media consider an "exciting" condition to make a dramatic headline out of

And sadly they will go on dying, just as sufferers always have ... it only seems to be Covid where even the Health Secretary said "one death is one too many", and where no losses of life are to be tolerated

@suggestionsplease1

I think there's a fundamental problem with perceptions of decision-making.

Decisions are not taken in isolation...every time a government makes a decision to continue restrictions for Covid they are also making an active decision to make it harder to treat every other physical and mental health condition out there. That decision and that consequence is also, unfortunately, on their shoulders.

They are potentially responsible for the negligent manslaughter of hundreds of thousands in the present and future of those experiencing every other condition and whose diagnosis and treatment has been prevented, stopped or delayed.

They have to weigh up awful decisions and acknowledge that in saving Covid lives they are letting people die of other conditions. Maybe not right now, but we will see the figures in the future for mortality of other disease and be able to do an analysis.

And that's just mortality, not quality of life, which has been hugely compromised for millions with many operations delayed that have led to increased pain and suffering. I myself feel that the right approach is being taken now.

I agree Not all Covid cases result in death - I am not sure what percentage it is Many cancer and other causes result in death (including old age or pre existing conditions. Against this should be set the mental health, economic damage caused by restricting people who are not ill with covid, not likely to die from covid and not susceptable to 'long covid' or post viral fatigue We would all like to save every life This current curtailment of our freedom has to end. Common sense has to prevail.

"As someone working for the NHS I tend to find this difficult to swallow.
What does that even mean? The staff looking after patients ARE overwhelmed. Not in terms of ward capacity but they are burned out and on their knees."

That's an issue caused by years of chronic underfunding and understaffing. Not opening nightclubs won't help you out with that one

I think they should stop reporting the cases, it’s scare mongering.

& hurrah for a post-truth society, huh @LawnFever?

think they should stop reporting the cases, it’s scare mongering.

‘I do not like these facts, so they should stop telling me these facts. Please only show me facts I like.’

Do people know what is happening in other countries? Apart from Australasia, the pinnacle of best covid practice as far as some MNetters are concerned - do you really believe that in European countries citizens are creeping around in hazmat suits and that people are not permitted to gather or dine out? In Rome last night there were giant celebrations.

And “this is all Boris’s fault” invective: of course the govt have made mistakes, but really there’s only one place to lay blame. Whether you believe it’s bat or lab, this whole terrible saga started in China and it seems they have sailed on from it absolutely scot free.

@Horehound

And let's not forget the current unvaccinated people will be a majority of lowest risk to suffer from covid.

Next.

Should be a pinned post at the top of the board!

And “this is all Boris’s fault” invective: of course the govt have made mistakes, but really there’s only one place to lay blame. Whether you believe it’s bat or lab, this whole terrible saga started in China and it seems they have sailed on from it absolutely scot free

The blame for what happens in England lies only with the government, not China.

As I said, you might want to look at other countries too. It’s not a case of everywhere else equals fantastic, UK equals crap.

^think they should stop reporting the cases, it’s scare mongering.^

Well, firstly - of course they're scare mongering. It's a tactic the government have relied on from the start.

The basic message should be more about deaths per case now. including age.

I know the info. is there is you look for it - but i recon the majority don't. They go by the big news strap lines - which at the moment are just about cases.

And “this is all Boris’s fault” invective: of course the govt have made mistakes, but really there’s only one place to lay blame. Whether you believe it’s bat or lab, this whole terrible saga started in China and it seems they have sailed on from it absolutely scot free

I think there’s plenty of blame to go around tbh.

I was willing to give the govt a fair bit of leeway until April and Delta. That decision was purely political Brexit face-saving and has put us in the current position. The lies they’ve told ever since about it has cemented my anger.

I wish someone would sack Gareth Southgate so he could take over as PM. You need someone calm and intelligent in a crisis, someone not afraid to make the less popular decisions. IE the polar opposite of the populist clown we currently have.