100,000 cases a day by August....bloody hell

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We're all going to get it eventually it seems

@carcarbinks

It will be a month with cases at 100 000+ a day before self isolation rules change. It will be interesting to see how many people will have to self-isolate in that time. Or will people just not do it? I would rather have kept masks and some social distancing than have to risk self isolating for 2 weeks even though I'm double jabbed.

Where do you think this 3million people are going to come from?? Plus the several million to get to that point?

There is now a limited number of people left to infect, and as that pool becomes infected it reduces, meaning that there are fewer people to be infected. Plus more will be double jabbed Plus 3 weeks in that time.

I honestly just think this is being made into something more than it is now.
100,000 cases a day, ok fine. Majority of people vaccinated.
10% of the 100k =10k and those people might show symptoms but the likelihood of anything severe is minimal.

The alternative would be to keep restrictions for another year until next summer when we would know a lot more about antibodies and if boosters are required. But people just will not commit to that...no way
So it's better to just let us get it all now through summer rather than winter.

@walkoflifewoohoo

"Turn the telly off and get yourself out. It's the same three posters every time. Just need Dusty for the hat trick"

Erm, @walkoflifewoohoo 'three' is already a hat trick.

Yeah, and like I said. The third one hasn't turned up yet but give them time.

They're on another thread currently!

@Mama1993

With most vaccinated the risk of getting covid is so small! The risk of getting it bad is smaller, the risk of DYING from it is even smaller!!! Honestly feels like some people don't want to move on from this pandemic

People don't understand the numbers. The numbers are tiny in proportion to population of 60 million. If we could have staffed the Nightingales, we probably wouldn't have had the lockdowns. I'm sure some people won't be happy until they see nil deaths - completely unrealistic. We need to get back to normal now and let the vulnerable take their own precautions. And I say that as a vulnerable person with a ECV spouse (blood cancer). Why are we so obsessed with protecting the vulnerable who've been double jabbed but we don't care about the 3 million excluded self employed who have been financially thrown to the wolves. It's fine for those furloughed or WFH to virtue signal from their ivory towers but people need to be allowed to earn a living and the continuing restrictions stop that happening.

@LucilleTheVampireBat

As others have said, the NHS cannot cope with the extra cases as it struggles to deal with backlogs i.e. Exeter District hospital has just been put into red alert due to AE pressures, staff shortages, we don't have european levels of healthcare

It is also due to delays with discharging patients who have no onward care (so not due to covid) and pressures across paediatric services (not covid). Paint an accurate picture, not one that screams RD&E is on RED ALERT COZ OF COVID.

Nice try but i said Exeter was on red alert because of backlogs, AE and staff shortages NOT Covid.

The point is that WITHOUT CV the NHS (which includes onward social care) is struggling, Exeter isn't unique.

Incase its escaped your notice, there is now almost 6m people waiting for treatment &the issues on staffing etc wont magically fix themselves.

@Horehound

I honestly just think this is being made into something more than it is now. 100,000 cases a day, ok fine. Majority of people vaccinated. 10% of the 100k =10k and those people might show symptoms but the likelihood of anything severe is minimal.

The alternative would be to keep restrictions for another year until next summer when we would know a lot more about antibodies and if boosters are required. But people just will not commit to that...no way
So it's better to just let us get it all now through summer rather than winter.

The country can't afford more lockdowns etc. It's crippling on a country and personal level.

@UnChatNoir

And what of the people who's cancer was missed or treatment delayed, heart surgery cancelled, etc etc etc

Exactly this.

It will get delayed again if staff are sick and hospitals are full.

Agree 100% with this. Some great points well made about which a lot of people seem completely oblivious.

@Lemonmelonsun

I'm sure I had it (mild last march)

Recently took part in a study and I've got no antibodies.
I've no doubt I will catch it in a higher dose again I just hope when I do ill have access to a hospital

You almost certainly didn't have it and if you are vaccinated you are extremely unlikely to be hospitalised.

And still no one has posted an answer to "what's the alternative?" Other than to retain social distancing and compulsory masks, which is totally unworkable.

Vast swathes of the economy rely on high numbers of people being in close proximity to operate.

Pubs/restaurants can't go on forever with severely reduced capacity due to extra spacing and no standing, plus extra staff costs due to 100% table service.

Businesses like manufacturers are suffering badly due to factory workers missing because of self-isolation due to contact track/trace rather than actual illness. That's completely unsustainable for some of my clients - they just can't turn a profit at 8%+ absence, which some are running at now.

We can't just keep waiting and waiting and waiting.

I'm not a blasé 'ignore the rules' type. I've stuck to the advice and regulations and have been vaccinated as soon as I could, etc, but surely we all see that we have to bite the bullet now.

Even Chris Whitty gives his personal approval to the plans on the grounds we really have little choice but to go for it now or wait until next spring/summer, by which time we would be well and truly fucked from all angles.

Quote function not working, its KazzyHoward I agree with.

@ineedaholidaynow

Many people seem to be getting the virus even though they have been vaccinated, not so sick to be in hospital but still sick and also need to be isolating. If you have enough doctors and nurses off sick at the same time that will cause problems in hospitals

Reference to the "many people" please.

@SofiaMichelle

And still no one has posted an answer to "what's the alternative?" Other than to retain social distancing and compulsory masks, which is totally unworkable.

Vast swathes of the economy rely on high numbers of people being in close proximity to operate.

Pubs/restaurants can't go on forever with severely reduced capacity due to extra spacing and no standing, plus extra staff costs due to 100% table service.

Businesses like manufacturers are suffering badly due to factory workers missing because of self-isolation due to contact track/trace rather than actual illness. That's completely unsustainable for some of my clients - they just can't turn a profit at 8%+ absence, which some are running at now.

We can't just keep waiting and waiting and waiting.

I'm not a blasé 'ignore the rules' type. I've stuck to the advice and regulations and have been vaccinated as soon as I could, etc, but surely we all see that we have to bite the bullet now.

Even Chris Whitty gives his personal approval to the plans on the grounds we really have little choice but to go for it now or wait until next spring/summer, by which time we would be well and truly fucked from all angles.

Exactly.

I honestly just think this is being made into something more than it is now.
100,000 cases a day, ok fine. Majority of people vaccinated.

10% of the 100k =10k and those people might show symptoms but the likelihood of anything severe is minimal*

This shows a total lack of understanding of the science and basic maths. The majority of cases will be in the unvaccinated, 100,000 cases a day is more like 1m infected at any one time. To get the 90% protection from severe disease you need to be at least 2 weeks post 2nd jab the figure for that in the UK is still less than 50% of the whole population (remember the under 18s almost completely unvaccinated) I don't think the virus is running out of suseptible hosts any time soon.

I think there's a fundamental problem with perceptions of decision-making.

Decisions are not taken in isolation...every time a government makes a decision to continue restrictions for Covid they are also making an active decision to make it harder to treat every other physical and mental health condition out there. That decision and that consequence is also, unfortunately, on their shoulders.

They are potentially responsible for the negligent manslaughter of hundreds of thousands in the present and future of those experiencing every other condition and whose diagnosis and treatment has been prevented, stopped or delayed.

They have to weigh up awful decisions and acknowledge that in saving Covid lives they are letting people die of other conditions. Maybe not right now, but we will see the figures in the future for mortality of other disease and be able to do an analysis.

And that's just mortality, not quality of life, which has been hugely compromised for millions with many operations delayed that have led to increased pain and suffering. I myself feel that the right approach is being taken now.

It is hard ( impossible?) to get a real feel for what is going on. We have been lied to over and over again. The media and the politicians playing ping pong with our MH and sense of safety.

0.14 of the population? How many lives messed up due to illness of all kinds? It must be about 60% of the population.

@ineedaholidaynow

On the news tonight they said ‘100k a day so pretty soon millions of us will have it’!

July 19th it's basically back to March 2020 again. Everyone's going to be ill in another month.

Thankfully the vaccines should at least protect most from serious illness, but the pressure will still be on hospitals.

@traumatisednoodle

*I honestly just think this is being made into something more than it is now. 100,000 cases a day, ok fine. Majority of people vaccinated.*

10% of the 100k =10k and those people might show symptoms but the likelihood of anything severe is minimal*

This shows a total lack of understanding of the science and basic maths. The majority of cases will be in the unvaccinated, 100,000 cases a day is more like 1m infected at any one time. To get the 90% protection from severe disease you need to be at least 2 weeks post 2nd jab the figure for that in the UK is still less than 50% of the whole population (remember the under 18s almost completely unvaccinated) I don't think the virus is running out of suseptible hosts any time soon.

And 90% of people who do get it will be asymptomatic.

As someone working for the NHS I tend to find this difficult to swallow.
What does that even mean? The staff looking after patients ARE overwhelmed. Not in terms of ward capacity but they are burned out and on their knees.
Yet expected to soldier on regardless.
There seems to be a view of the NHS as a robotic system and basing what overwhelmed looks like on resource, but no consideration at all for those on the floor who have not recovered from the last 18 months.

We've done brilliantly with our vaccination programme, but I have to admit I'd be happier if everyone that wants the vaccination had the opportunity to be double jabbed. I feel for those who are ECV, CV, can't have the vaccine and hoping the younger ones don't end up with long covid. Hopefully those that have chosen to not have the vaccine, will catch it without too much suffering, we can hopefully get herd immunity and settle down in a couple of months or so.

And let's not forget the current unvaccinated people will be a majority of lowest risk to suffer from covid.

Next.

I cannot understand why we aren't waiting until everyone has been offered their second jab. The young still get long covid and some will still get severely ill. I feel like they've been screwed by this government.

The majority of those getting covid are those who have not been fully vaccinated but there is significant vaccine escape too.

How does filling the hospitals and allowing staff to get sick make it easier for those of us to access hospital treatments?

@sadperson16

It is hard ( impossible?) to get a real feel for what is going on. We have been lied to over and over again. The media and the politicians playing ping pong with our MH and sense of safety.

0.14 of the population? How many lives messed up due to illness of all kinds? It must be about 60% of the population.

This. I have no idea what’s going on. I’ve woh throughout. I’m now double vaccinated. I’ll continue to do regular ltf tests, wear a mask and not hug people. Apart from that 🤷🏻‍♀️

...there is significant vaccine escape too.

Do you have a source for this?

I can understand why the government wants to open up the areas that are not already open like nightclubs and mass events. They can't keep supporting them forever. And although I am not in favour of vaccine passports generally, they could be useful for going to those sort of events.

But what I don't understand is why masks and social distancing are being removed. For the vast majority of us it is not a big deal to wear a mask when we pop into a shop or give people space (not liking it isn't a good enough reason to stop). And wearing masks on public transport could help us avoid flu and winter coughs and colds as well - win win I would have thought.