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100,000 cases a day by August....bloody hell

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ssd · 06/07/2021 22:55

We're all going to get it eventually it seems

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Thelm · 07/07/2021 07:54

To the people saying what about cancer treatment etc do you think the nhs will be able to provide brilliant treatment for cancer etc when it is dealing with ever increasing levels of covid patients?

CottageGardener · 07/07/2021 07:57

@VaccineSticker

You say “oh as long as the nhs is not overwhelmed”. You realise that hospitals won’t be staffed properly if doctors and nurses catch the virus right? It’s not just bed capacity we are talking about, if the people who make this NHS machine run are off sick this precious machine will not work and many people will needlessly die.

And yes many doctors have caught covid before but they can still catch again and they will have to isolate.
But yeah let the virus run wild and free. Problem solved.

Doctors and nurses have been vaccinated. What a drama queen. Honestly 😂
Lucidas · 07/07/2021 07:58

@traumatisednoodle

I am astounded a midwife is giving that advice I would consider it downright negligent actually. Yes ideally one would get vaccinated before pregnancy- however given the current case rates and the planned opening up the risk benefit of vaccination is clearly in favour of vaccination.

Agreed. Covid will rip through the unvaccinated this summer. I have no idea how a midwife could confidently recommend that a third trimester woman be exposed at this time.

TheTallOakTrees · 07/07/2021 07:59

@cushioncovers

What's the alternative though? You can't lock down society forever.
The elderly (the main ones that die) and CEV and adults have been vaccinated. The vaccine has been shown to reduce death rates, hospital admittances and symptoms. It also reduces the transmission to others.

CEV children are the ones that need consideration. Hopefully the vaccine will be available for them urgently. I understand that for the vast majority of children including CEV CV that the risks are very low though. Some CEV have to be careful with the common cold so always have to be extra careful. That has always been the case though.

The point is that at some point society has to move on and it has been 18 months now of restrictions and business collapse.

ineedaholidaynow · 07/07/2021 08:01

Many people seem to be getting the virus even though they have been vaccinated, not so sick to be in hospital but still sick and also need to be isolating. If you have enough doctors and nurses off sick at the same time that will cause problems in hospitals

TheTallOakTrees · 07/07/2021 08:02

I agree with a previous poster that we open now so people get it during the summer and not in the cold winter months where other seasonal respiratory infections are high too.

ChewtonRoad · 07/07/2021 08:05

I'm sure I had it (mild last march) Recently took part in a study and I've got no antibodies.
If you had Covid in March 2020 then antibodies will have dropped out by about six weeks after recovery because that's what is expected after a viral illness along with development of B cell and T cell immunity.

I've no doubt I will catch it in a higher dose again
You may want to rethink that.

Yes we'll all get it, multiple times throughout our lives most likely. What on earth did you expect?! This has never been in dispute.
Multiple times? Very unlikely.

Fully vaccinated adults should have 95% protection against serious illness or the need to be in hospital, and those who have recovered from Covid along with full vaccinations will have a more robust immune response.

We need to get needles into arms as quickly as possible whilst maintaining at least the basic infection control measures.

Indigopearl · 07/07/2021 08:07

Looking at the responses to this thread I wonder if the government's behavioural scientists have been heavily involved in the decision. They have decided that compliance will be minimal so by letting the virus rip they hope to scare the population into complying again in the autumn.

It feels like our government treats us all like naughty toddlers. It would be good to live in a country where the government and population have a bit more social responsiblity and look after our most vulnerable.

It would also far better for the economy and for peoples' health to not go through endless cycles of major restrictions and complete reopenings and instead have a more balanced approach.

Scottishgirl85 · 07/07/2021 08:11

@ChewtonRoad yes people will catch it multiple times. The vaccine doesn't stop you catching it, just prepares your body to fight it. And it will keep mutating so each time slightly different.

Hardbackwriter · 07/07/2021 08:14

You must realise that a lot of pregnant women won't want to take the risk of vaccination while pregnant? I didn't realise until I had mine, but many women don't even get the flu jab because of concerns for their baby.

But then they're going directly against medical advice, which is that you should have a flu jab while pregnant precisely because of risks to you and the baby. Similarly - your friend's rogue midwife aside - pregnant women are now advised to get the vaccine. I'm not unsympathetic (I gave birth in February and it isn't very nice being heavily pregnant while case numbers are very high - I would have had the vaccine in a heartbeat if it were an option then) but there's only so long you can expect other people to be restricted because you've decided to turn down a vaccination that's available to protect you.

BichonFrizz · 07/07/2021 08:17

@Pinchoftums

And what of the people who's cancer was missed or treatment delayed, heart surgery cancelled, etc etc etc

Make sure they get treated. But at the same time keep sensible things like mask wearing social distancing and some isolating when ill in place. Your realise many of the people who are immunosuppressed have cancer.

As someone currently on chemotherapy and immunosuppressed this is what I hope for.

I don't expect the world to stop for me but it's a scary time right now

traumatisednoodle · 07/07/2021 08:17

*CottageGardener

VaccineSticker

You say “oh as long as the nhs is not overwhelmed”. You realise that hospitals won’t be staffed properly if doctors and nurses catch the virus right? It’s not just bed capacity we are talking about, if the people who make this NHS machine run are off sick this precious machine will not work and many people will needlessly die.

And yes many doctors have caught covid before but they can still catch again and they will have to isolate.
But yeah let the virus run wild and free. Problem solved.

Doctors and nurses have been vaccinated. What a drama queen. Honestly*

You realise our children haven't and are attending school same as everyone elses ? The staff absence has nearly all been due to children either testing positive or being sent home to isolate.

Livelovebehappy · 07/07/2021 08:18

The whole situation with lockdowns was to stop the hospitals becoming overwhelmed with admissions. That has now been achieved. There are some people who either refuse to be vaccinated or the vaccinations aren’t effective due to their medical conditions. But we have to learn as a society to now live with Covid. We can’t stay in persistent lockdowns to accommodate a very minuscule percentage of people who are still vulnerable.

carcarbinks · 07/07/2021 08:20

It will be a month with cases at 100 000+ a day before self isolation rules change. It will be interesting to see how many people will have to self-isolate in that time. Or will people just not do it? I would rather have kept masks and some social distancing than have to risk self isolating for 2 weeks even though I'm double jabbed.

DillyDot · 07/07/2021 08:21

@CrouchEndTiger12

Out of population of almost 70 million, 100000 cases that's what 0.14% of the population with covid. That's staggeringly low.
100,000 cases per day
unicornpower · 07/07/2021 08:21

@Hardbackwriter

You must realise that a lot of pregnant women won't want to take the risk of vaccination while pregnant? I didn't realise until I had mine, but many women don't even get the flu jab because of concerns for their baby.

But then they're going directly against medical advice, which is that you should have a flu jab while pregnant precisely because of risks to you and the baby. Similarly - your friend's rogue midwife aside - pregnant women are now advised to get the vaccine. I'm not unsympathetic (I gave birth in February and it isn't very nice being heavily pregnant while case numbers are very high - I would have had the vaccine in a heartbeat if it were an option then) but there's only so long you can expect other people to be restricted because you've decided to turn down a vaccination that's available to protect you.

Completely agree. I'm in my third trimester and my Midwife was very much 'here is the recommendation, it is your decision but the advice is to get vaccinated' and then gave me lots of leaflets and information etc. Pretty sure Midwives shouldn't be advising against the vaccine, considering the third trimester is when covid can affect a pregnancy the most. I got the vaccine at 20 weeks and then had my second one a week or so ago, i feel for me it was the right choice but i did as much research as i possibly could to make that decision.
GreatBigBird · 07/07/2021 08:21

@cushioncovers

What's the alternative though? You can't lock down society forever.
Other countries have managed perfectly well by actually acting on things when needed. Not like this mess of a government. Always too little, too late.
User135644 · 07/07/2021 08:23

Torn between just staying home for a while until it levels off a bit at least, or just going to a Covid party next week and getting it over with.

As I live with vulnerable people, the second option not really a choice.

We might be fucked without the vaccines, but we're all going to get it anyway even with them.

Sunshinegirl82 · 07/07/2021 08:24

@Tealightsandd

Watch what happens to New Zealand when they open the borders. Or will they stay closed forever?

I have family in NZ (and Australia). They're in no rush. No desperate need to open up. Their economies are booming.

And, the UK is not a special country that everyone desperately misses. When sensible places like NZ, Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam etc open up, they have many other countries they can open up to, without needing to include high risk countries like the UK. We'll be at the back of the queue. Quite understandably.

Meanwhile life is free and normal in NZ. And most of Australia (remember that Sydney and Melbourne are as representative of Australia as London is of the UK). Booming economy too.

As an added bonus, they're doing their bit for climate change.

NZ and the U.K. are so fundamentally different that there really is no comparison between the two.

We have got cases incredibly low during our previous lockdowns and if elimination was the goal we may have been able to achieve it at that point. There will be an awareness of that as a potential option in Government.

The reality is elimination only works if you can maintain it with incredibly tight border controls combined with very strict lockdowns for very small case numbers. Our supply chains simply do not lend themselves to that level of control. We have thousands of lorries coming into the country everyday, NZ are too remote for that, their supply chain is different and more easily controlled.

In the U.K. it seems likely that, even if we'd managed to eliminate covid initially, we'd have been in a constant round of strict lockdowns to manage small outbreaks caused by our supply chain. You can't change the supply chain infrastructure overnight. We have a huge population to feed and we produce nothing like enough food domestically to meet demand.

The option of elimination has been discounted, rightly or wrongly it isn't happening here and that is why the government are not pursuing strategies that work towards it. It is not as simple as saying "we should have done what NZ did" it wasn't possible for the U.K. to do so.

In light of that I can see the logic of the decision that has been made. In the absence of elimination we have prioritised vaccination. We have prioritised those at highest risk, we have accelerated second doses and we are endeavouring to avoid the highest number of cases occurring in Winter to minimise pressure in the NHS. People may not agree with it as an approach but there is logic to it.

BorisKilledMyHusband · 07/07/2021 08:24

@CrouchEndTiger12

Out of population of almost 70 million, 100000 cases that's what 0.14% of the population with covid. That's staggeringly low.
That’s PER DAY.
traumatisednoodle · 07/07/2021 08:24

Like it or not allowing case rates to rise even to the current levels causes significant disruption to the health services (staff isolations, patients' isolations, patients testing positive before elective admission, even one Covid case means increased staffing levels and PPE you can't mix red, green or amber areas). 100,000 cases a day (and I think that is conservative) is incompatible with a functioning society.

Mama1993 · 07/07/2021 08:25

With most vaccinated the risk of getting covid is so small! The risk of getting it bad is smaller, the risk of DYING from it is even smaller!!! Honestly feels like some people don't want to move on from this pandemic

Suranjeep · 07/07/2021 08:25

@User135644 or don’t do either, just live normally.

Why are people missing that option here?

Kazzyhoward · 07/07/2021 08:25

@Indigopearl

Looking at the responses to this thread I wonder if the government's behavioural scientists have been heavily involved in the decision. They have decided that compliance will be minimal so by letting the virus rip they hope to scare the population into complying again in the autumn.

It feels like our government treats us all like naughty toddlers. It would be good to live in a country where the government and population have a bit more social responsiblity and look after our most vulnerable.

It would also far better for the economy and for peoples' health to not go through endless cycles of major restrictions and complete reopenings and instead have a more balanced approach.

We've had lockdowns/restrictions for 16 months to look after the vulnerable, most of whom will now be double jabbed. The financial consequences of not getting back to normal are huge and will affect us far longer than covid in terms of the hundreds of billions it's cost, plus unemployment and business collapse, etc. It's time for healthy people to catch it and lock in herd immunity on top of vaccinations.
walkoflifewoohoo · 07/07/2021 08:29

"Turn the telly off and get yourself out. It's the same three posters every time. Just need Dusty for the hat trick"

Erm, @walkoflifewoohoo 'three' is already a hat trick.

Yeah, and like I said. The third one hasn't turned up yet but give them time.

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