Thoughts on the non-vaccinated!

[UnluckyMe]

Why have people been so critical of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated against covid 19?

I've read all sorts of comments about those, like me, who chose not to be vaccinated calling us selfish, uneducated and so on. There seems to be a massive lack of respect for what others choose to do with their body and I'm just curious as go why people feel the need to make comments about it. There are obviously many who don't and I do acknowledge that, my post is more directed to thoughts on why the other side do (feels very playground bully like to me).

The way I see it is everyone has a choice - respect that choice and move on with life rather than throwing insults at one another or dwell on something out of your own control.

I'd also like to confirm i do not own tin foil hat, expect the end of days soon or believe everyone will drop dead in 6 months / will transform into magneto from X-Men (all those coins sticking to people's arms!)

I have followed the rules down to a tee but have just chosen not to be vaccinated at present. Maybe I will change my mind, maybe I won't 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I am genuinely curious - I read on another post "all vulnerable and sensible people have had the jab" as a comment which riled me a bit too! I like to think I'm pretty sensible but clearly this Mumsnetter thinks otherwise 😆😆

To those who couldn't be bothered to read my earlier replies

Yes I know how vaccines work

The vaccines do not offer 100% protection against infection or onward transmission

I am not prepared to risk having 10 days self isolation for just a lunch with someone who may or may not be carrying the virus but is more likely to be than someone who has been vaccinated. I have other people to think of as well as myself.

I think people become upset because they have taken a risk for benefits for us all, whereas non vaccinated will get the benefits with no risk taken.

I don't think anyone has the right to tell people what to put into their bodies though and we don't need everyone vaccinated for herd immunity.

It's such an emotive topic and people are suffering so much, it probably just feels like people not being vaccinated are putting the brakes on getting back to normal.

I don't think it's right to pressure anyone though

ArcheryAnnie calling people variant factories is absolutely dehumanising.

You are being selfish , and I hope those not vaccinated are not allowed to work with sick or vulnerable, and are not allowed to travel abroad either.

Our behaviour is regulated and moderated for public health all the time.
From regulating how fast we can drive to where we can smoke and what time we can buy a beer, nearly every behaviour modification is based on a health outcome.
Do you accept these?
Vaccinations have literally saved millions of lives.

Refusing them is a luxury of privilege. It is not an informed decision based on risk assessment because that would overwhelmingly say have it, if it is a trust issue in the Government, Health Professionals, the Civil Service, Science, Acedemic Institutions, World Health Organisation, European Agencies and every over official and non official body world wide, then you have to doubt any scientific intervention in your health. But if you except other interventions and the science behind them then you are being irrational in not vaccinating and increasing risks for everyone else.
I have seen serious consequences of anti vacs with MMR in our community as the community immunity levels drop. Again, a luxury of never seeing children die of Rubella because of the vaccinations, has morphed into a complacancy that threatens the health of a whole community.
Based on my body, my right.
We do not force vaccinations as of yet, but don't expect understanding of irrational decisions that put our health at risk and do expect to live with consequences of your irrational decision. Whatever that will be.

, but you need to admit that everyone else who is vaccinate is doing the heavy lifting for you

No @ArcheryAnnie Heavy lifting is what my DM was doing at eight years old while growing up in Italy. Working the fields while my Grandad was in the war. A jab in the arm is hardly harsh labour.

I'm really confused as to why unvaccinated people are a risk to vaccinated people? I'm doubled vaxxed, and my understanding is that the vaccine was never intended to stop transmission, only to combat serious symptoms, so if I were to catch it my chance of serious illness would be very low - therefore it makes no difference to me who is or isn't vaccinated? This is genuinely not me being obtuse I would to know.

But in answer to your question, no, I don't think less of people who aren't vaccinated. Your body your choice.

That doesn't make any sense based on this report here, which shows that hospitalisation and deaths haven't increased?

www.timesofisrael.com/experts-without-new-restrictions-daily-covid-cases-to-rise-to-1000-in-2-weeks/

As someone else has already said, the goalposts keep changing and it's looking more likely that booster shots will be required and/or a MRNA vaccine second or third dose as we are told other vaccines are not as effective against new variants.

Where does it end?

Speaking for myself, as someone who doesn't drink, keeps healthy, doesn't take painkillers and avoids antibiotics unless deathly ill ( 1 in last 8 years) the vaccine makes no sense for me. I have taken all recommended vaccines in pregnancy and also all my children are vaccinated, but I'm not willing to take a new vaccine, for the sake of others. I have taken all previous vaccines for the greater good, but I'm not selfless enough to take this one.

I couldnt have it to begin with as breastfeeding and advised not to at the time. Now I am 6 months pregnant and not willing to have it whilst baby is inside. I will see how I feel about it once baby is born.
What worries me is my dad had an unprovoked DVT (so deff not having the AZ) and the other one has been known to cause heart side effects, cant remember exactly what. I've read a few people die from having the vaccine and peoples response is basically ah well the majority havent died....

Now the vulnerable people have had the vaccine and cases are soaring but deaths are low it seems like we would be fine getting on with life anyway. I would definitely risk my life in having the vaccine if I was 60+ but i am only 30 right now. I was also a close contact when my sisters both caught covid (both fine, cold symptoms that's it, at separate times) I've been around work colleagues who had it and I have also looked after covid positive patients at work with just the same flimsy face masks we wear out and I havent been unwell at all, I remember my last illness in december 2018 lucky? Or just had it and asymptomatic 🤷‍♀️

I also do not care what others do, it saddens me how opinionated people are either way.

Previous comment , the first paragraph is directed at @namechanged984630

I haven’t been vaccinated but have booked in to be as I want to travel and certain countries will Be requesting confirmation of COVID vaccine to do this.

It’s nothing like Brexit.
Although you get this week’s award for finding any excuse to mention it

Heh believe me I'm the last to mention brexit. But it is, it's the same shit different topic.

Flies with honey indeed. How many ruddy handholds to people need?

Don't have it if you don't want it. Just SU about it already. People are going to think badly of you, it's just something you'll either have to suck up or just stay off the topic completely and get on with your life.

@Mulhollandmagoo it does reduce transmission too

Because you’re compromising herd immunity and putting vulnerable people at risk. I can’t see that as anything other than a selfish choice, especially as I don’t see any valid reasons to refuse the vaccine (except, obviously, allergies / being immunocompromised / other medical reasons why it’s not possible - but your post indicates these don’t apply to you)

@hulahooper2

You are being selfish , and I hope those not vaccinated are not allowed to work with sick or vulnerable, and are not allowed to travel abroad either.

Honey, not vinegar.

@kurstytemple

I've had the vaccines but I couldn't care less who chooses not to. It wouldn't make me view them different in the slightest or stay away from them. It doesn't make me think of them as stupid or uneducated. It's up to the individual, totally their choice and no judgment here. Others care so much because they need to find something to be outraged about when in reality it is none of their business what someone else puts in their body.

This!! I've personally had both vaccines as I work closely with vulnerable high risk people. But if I wasn't in this particular line of work I wouldn't have had them. It is a personal choice and your opinions are as valid as the opposing views.

I think people become upset because they have taken a risk for benefits for us all, whereas non vaccinated will get the benefits with no risk taken.

Precisely. If you choose not to be vaccinated, will you also choose to forgo the benefits vaccination is bringing - ie the lifting of lockdown? Will you stay home?

@FlyingBattie

I have no idea if people are vaccinated or not, I don't care enough to ask them or if they want to share. Same with someones smear is up to date, or if they were vaccinated against MMR, or... anything really. I don't know why people are so keen to stick their beak in. Bizarre.

You quite often know if someone's choosing to be unvaccinated, because they'll tell you, if Mumsnet is anything to go by.

I think that reading sneering posts on social media from people who have decided not to be vaccinated openly mocking the ‘sheeple’ who wear masks and queue up for their vaccine does not help.

I had a friend who chose not to have her kids vaccinated because her kids were ‘too precious to risk’. But she would openly say that she was very happy that most other people took their (presumably non-precious) children to be vaccinated as that helped reduce disease and keep her kids safe. She couldn’t see a problem with that stance at all.

@minipie

I think people become upset because they have taken a risk for benefits for us all, whereas non vaccinated will get the benefits with no risk taken.

Precisely. If you choose not to be vaccinated, will you also choose to forgo the benefits vaccination is bringing - ie the lifting of lockdown? Will you stay home?

Why would anyone do that? That is a rule you have made up in your own head.

@hollyangel they will if there are enough cases. Herd immunity means those for whom the vaccine doesn't work will not catch it. Anything less means they might.

@MercyBooth

, but you need to admit that everyone else who is vaccinate is doing the heavy lifting for you

No @ArcheryAnnie Heavy lifting is what my DM was doing at eight years old while growing up in Italy. Working the fields while my Grandad was in the war. A jab in the arm is hardly harsh labour.

It's metaphorical. Surely that's obvious?

@Notthemessiah

Completely agree with you. Why don't we all give away all our money to people less fortunate than us? Is it fair that some of us have houses when others don't?

Or what about equal education? How many commenting about how selfish the unvaccinated are, pay for private education for their children, so that they can leapfrog above the children who can't afford it? Is that not selfish behaviour too?

@gamerchick

*It’s nothing like Brexit. Although you get this week’s award for finding any excuse to mention it*

Heh believe me I'm the last to mention brexit. But it is, it's the same shit different topic.

Flies with honey indeed. How many ruddy handholds to people need?

Don't have it if you don't want it. Just SU about it already. People are going to think badly of you, it's just something you'll either have to suck up or just stay off the topic completely and get on with your life.

In fact you were the first to mention Brexit on this thread. I really don’t see the connection. One thing was a referendum over a political issue. The other is a question of of health and ethics - it’s not even as if a 52 - 48 split between vaccinations and non vaccinations would mean everyone got or didn’t get the virus. The two things aren’t even remotely comparable or similar.

I’d just think that these people are not especially intelligent. And I’d be right.