Thoughts on the non-vaccinated!

[UnluckyMe]

Why have people been so critical of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated against covid 19?

I've read all sorts of comments about those, like me, who chose not to be vaccinated calling us selfish, uneducated and so on. There seems to be a massive lack of respect for what others choose to do with their body and I'm just curious as go why people feel the need to make comments about it. There are obviously many who don't and I do acknowledge that, my post is more directed to thoughts on why the other side do (feels very playground bully like to me).

The way I see it is everyone has a choice - respect that choice and move on with life rather than throwing insults at one another or dwell on something out of your own control.

I'd also like to confirm i do not own tin foil hat, expect the end of days soon or believe everyone will drop dead in 6 months / will transform into magneto from X-Men (all those coins sticking to people's arms!)

I have followed the rules down to a tee but have just chosen not to be vaccinated at present. Maybe I will change my mind, maybe I won't 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I am genuinely curious - I read on another post "all vulnerable and sensible people have had the jab" as a comment which riled me a bit too! I like to think I'm pretty sensible but clearly this Mumsnetter thinks otherwise 😆😆

Tbh if I can't have see my consultant and have my tests to control my medical condition, and DH's much need operation cancelled again because the NHS hospitals are overwhelmed with unvaccinated covid patients I'm going to be even more pissed off.

I guess people may be hoping that you'll be shamed into changing your minds?

FWIW, I absolutely respect your right to choose, but I don't respect your actual choice. If I'm honest, I do think it's a stupid and selfish choice, but as long as you're within the law, you have every right to make as many stupid and selfish choices about your own body as you wish. Personally, I wouldn't actually comment on those choices, unless you directly asked, but I would silently judge. I guess some people are much more open about expressing why your choice makes them feel frustrated or angry. Arguably, as long as they stay within the law, they have as much right to express their feelings about your choices as you have to make those choices. I think they're wasting their time and energy in doing so, as you are highly unlikely to change your mind simply because of their criticism. However, they are not actually violating your right to choose by expressing an opinion.

Ultimately, if you're confident that you have made the right choices, then just ignore what other people think. It doesn't matter. We all have different opinions. Nobody can force you to have the vaccine against your will. Similarly, you can't force others to approve of your decision.

This has got to be one of the most offensive and ridiculous responses to this and any other thread

The statement I was responding to was hugely ugly and inflammatory. I have lived first hand through the real life consequences of ugly, divisive rhetoric so don't you dare try and shut me down with claiming my response was "offensive".

As an example... In the latest Sydney outbreak, COVID is now in a nursing home, and three residents are infected and in hospital.

Unvaccinated staff brought the virus into the home.

Our Federal Government has bungled the roll out of nursing home vaccinations, however aged care workers have can go to a walk in clinic and go to the front of the line. If these staff were unvaccinated by choice, what an absolute disgrace.

Australia is planning to mandate COVID vax for frontline roles, including aged care. No jab no work. This can't come fast enough. You choose not to have the tax, that's fine, but it will be time to find a new job outside of aged care, medicine, aviation, etc.

@hollyangel they reached herd immunity. Then the delta variant arrived which has a highest threshold, so they have to vaccinate some more people 🤷🏻‍♀️

The way I see it is everyone has a choice

Yes, you have a choice. But the choice you have made potentially puts vulnerable people who can't have the vaccine in danger, possibly provides a vector for pandemic variants, and puts an unnecessary extra burden on the NHS. Sure, we don't have the right to tell you what to do, but we do have the right to think less of you as a result of your decisions. If everyone thought the way you do, we would now be back to where we were in January, with infections up in the 50Ks and deaths running at a thousand a day - or even worse. I take it that you will be happy to accept the benefits arising from being able to come out of lockdown as a direct result of the vaccine?

@gamerchick

It's like brexit all over again. Except now the leavers are the unvaccinated. You're going to get shit because those choices affect everyone. We want our lives back. Not sure what you're wanting outside of the zillion other 'im not getting the vaccine', stop being mean' threads

It’s nothing like Brexit. Although you get this week’s award for finding any excuse to mention it.

Calling those who are unvaccinated stupid, selfish, unintelligent, uneducated.

Such a bitch fest on here.?What happened to choice?

That is what’s been given. A choice.

ArcheryAnnie I have thought it through. Its not the vaccinated that the dehumanising rhetoric is being aimed at, and comparing viral disease transmission with deliberate assault and murder is ludicrous.

@kindaclassy

I can't understand the point of abusing someone you disagree with.

What exactly do you expect? "you call me stupid, oh you are right, I change my mind?".

If that's the best incentive you can find to get people vaccinated, we're screwed frankly.

This. All the cries of selfishness, not giving a crap about vulnerable etc.

Vaccine hesitancy is a thing. Has anyone on this thread tried to reassure anyone? Nope. Just cries about being selfish. Needle phobia is a thing. I read that uptake could be up to 10% higher if it was taken seriously. But no, you get "suck it up" "grow up" etc. "If you hate needles, you will have being in ICU when you get Covid" etc. I have seen it all.

You attract flies with honey, not vinegar.

I am starting to think that a major side effect of the vaccine is losing your mind about people who have not had it.

A friend of mine who was utterly terrified of catching the virus, followed all the rules, holed up in her flat for months, washed her shopping etc very pro vacvine , had both vaccines and now wishes she hadn't - she is experiencing some significant issues with her cartilage and joints post vaccine that weren't there before. Historically she is also unable to have the flu jab due to serious multiple allergies but was urged to have the Vaccine but with a Dr on stand by 'just in case' ... no bloody wonder she was terrified. She felt she was doing the right thing but she has been experiencing significant side effects ever since that seem to be getting worse and isn't getting any help. Her view about the unvaccinated has turned full circle.

Again, I had my 2 injections. It was a choice.

I would be rioting in the street if that choice was taken and the vaccine was mandatory.

I can't blame people for waiting. I would have absolutely refused if I had been pregnant or TTC.

I think less of those people like you who won't have the vaccine simply because the vaccine is getting out of the hell whole we've been in!

Near enough 24000 people have tested positive today back in January with those sort of numbers around a 1000 people a day were dying now we're down to around 10

If all of us decided we weren't going to be vaccinated then we would still be in lockdown.

Yes it's your choice, yes it's your body and I'm not angry about it but you're relying on the rest of us taking a risk so that you can go about your business so yes I think you're selfish!

Possibly because we need as much immunity as possible & this isnt an epidemic its a pandemic, it really does nerd the majority to be vaccinated to protect themselves & everyone around them.

I have no idea if people are vaccinated or not, I don't care enough to ask them or if they want to share. Same with someones smear is up to date, or if they were vaccinated against MMR, or... anything really.
I don't know why people are so keen to stick their beak in. Bizarre.

she is experiencing some significant issues with her cartilage and joints post vaccine that weren't there before

I have that and a host of other issues after a bad reaction to medication. Can't even take a paracetamol without going into a flare now.
I'll be happy when this roll-out is over, the rhetoric and level of polarisation is a head fuck.

I hope your friends improves.

I don't care. I have never asked someone their vaccine status, of course people going to get their shots has come up in conversation but I'd never ask someone if they plan to get it. I've had it, dh has had it and that is good enough for me.

I do have one conspiracy theory friend who is all tinfoil hat and I know she won't get it but it wouldn't stop me from seeing her. The thing that is stopping me seeing her is the fact she won't stop going on about the 'plandemic', it's boring and I don't care what the random YouTube video you saw said.

While it's your choice, if that choice potentially has an impact on other people you can't complain if they have an opinion on that choice. I think that those who aren't vacccinated will be infected before long so will have some immunity anyway.

@kindaclassy

I can't understand the point of abusing someone you disagree with.

What exactly do you expect? "you call me stupid, oh you are right, I change my mind?".

If that's the best incentive you can find to get people vaccinated, we're screwed frankly.

Absolutely!!

We should be asking people who don't want the vaccine or don't want it yet & talking to them about it rather than name calling.

Anyone feel like some people are reacting like they are in the school playground?! I'll mention no names

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I have chrohns disease. I've had the vaccine twice and after each infusion the antibodies are destroyed. So yeah, I kind of rely on other people having the vaccine so that I don't catch it and die. I have no immune system

It's strange how this one 'selfish' decision is so much worse than all of the other selfish decisions that people make every day, as if this is some fantastic altruistic society that the non-vaccinated are just ruining.

I presume that all of those people being most vitriolic about all this don't drive big polluting cars, never fly anywhere, don't own pets or do anything to contribute to climate change. They never go into work when they have a cold, or drive when they haven't had enough sleep. I'm sure they never exceed the speed limit either. Because if they did that would make them massive hypocrites.

I absolutely agree with thepeopleversuswork. Your choice affects other people, it’s not just personal issue.

Also once you’ve made your choice - accept the consequences. I think certain restrictions for unvaccinated (e.g travel) are sensible.

@MaxNormal

ArcheryAnnie I have thought it through. Its not the vaccinated that the dehumanising rhetoric is being aimed at, and comparing viral disease transmission with deliberate assault and murder is ludicrous.

You were the one comparing people talking in an unflattering way about unvaccinated people, to people being murdered by machetes, so I still don't think you've thought this through.

The virus kills and maims. Me saying I think the unvaccinated are selfish doesn't kill or maim. (And calling someone "selfish" is not "dehumanising", ffs. Get a sense of proportion.)

Again, I had my 2 injections. It was a choice.
I would be rioting in the street if that choice was taken and the vaccine was mandatory. like it is for care home staff in the UK. I really fear for those relying on carers instead of family. There isn't the staff already, let alone forced vaccines adding to the problem.

@WaterOffADucksCrack

The way I see it is everyone has a choice Not if you work in a care home you don't. It's get vaccinated or be fired which I think takes away from human rights. The care sector is already on its knees nationwide due to people having left in droves because the responsibility is overwhelming yet you would earn more working in Aldi. The government doesn't seem to have a plan for this. Mind you it's a Tory government so as long as they don't have to lower themselves to caring for a loved one it's fine. Even the agencies can't cover 80% of shifts they are required to. I stand to lose many amazing carers due to them being forced to have the vaccine or having to leave care. It honestly makes me sick. I'm pro vaccine but I'm also pro human rights.

But what about the human rights of those being cared for not to have someone who is more likely to catch and pass on a larger dose of covid because they haven’t been vaccinated?