Thoughts on the non-vaccinated!

[UnluckyMe]

Why have people been so critical of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated against covid 19?

I've read all sorts of comments about those, like me, who chose not to be vaccinated calling us selfish, uneducated and so on. There seems to be a massive lack of respect for what others choose to do with their body and I'm just curious as go why people feel the need to make comments about it. There are obviously many who don't and I do acknowledge that, my post is more directed to thoughts on why the other side do (feels very playground bully like to me).

The way I see it is everyone has a choice - respect that choice and move on with life rather than throwing insults at one another or dwell on something out of your own control.

I'd also like to confirm i do not own tin foil hat, expect the end of days soon or believe everyone will drop dead in 6 months / will transform into magneto from X-Men (all those coins sticking to people's arms!)

I have followed the rules down to a tee but have just chosen not to be vaccinated at present. Maybe I will change my mind, maybe I won't 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I am genuinely curious - I read on another post "all vulnerable and sensible people have had the jab" as a comment which riled me a bit too! I like to think I'm pretty sensible but clearly this Mumsnetter thinks otherwise 😆😆

@MaxNormal

You’re a vector for transmission and a potential variant factory. In other words, part of the problem. You’re almost certainly not part of the solution

Doesn't take long for for the hard of thinking to start parroting these ugly, divisive little phrases about other human beings, does it?

Reminds me of Rwanda in the 90s, how the Tutsis were demonised as cockroaches and similar. One million men, woman and children hacked to death by their neighbours.

But this is the wrong way round (as well as being really, really offensive and hyperbolic).

The unvaccinated are the ones going around who might injure or kill others. The vaccinated have undergone a small risk (of side effects) in order to protect others, as well as themselves.

MaxNormal you haven't thought this through.

I do think its pretty selfish and stupid not to have it. You are putting others at risk. Doesn't that matter to you?

@RoomOfRequirement

I assume those who choose not to get it are either stupid or selfish. Possibly both.

Comments like these are unhealthy and upsetting.

I wouldn't call those that have chosen not to vaccinate themselves yet as selfish nor stupid. We should be supporting each other & educating everyone to make a choice.

I didn't have the flu jab until I was deemed vulnerable (pregnant). I've had my Covid vaccines, my friend who is now pregnant has chosen not to. I unfortunately have experienced a 'rare' sode affect from the vaccine & I wish I had been better informed.

My point really is, is it ok that we are directing comments of selfishness and stupidity towards each other? If we should be calling anyone selfish, should it not be those that have profited (monetary profits) massively not just from the pandemic but this big vaccination drive.

I am unvaccinated. But this is purely due to a lifelong phobia of injections. I have spoken to a doc who has prescribed me some nubbing cream and a sedative. But as i've never taken a sedative before, the idea of taking that ALSO really scares me.

I wanted to have the vaccine in a quiet Gp office where I could lie down but i'm told they aren't offering that service and that I am to go to a centre where I just can't queue and let myself get more and more nervous that i'm more likely to just leave. (I have fainted when having blood tests before)

Just the thought of it all made me feel faint the other day.

So i'm not vaccinated, because of a injection fear.

@WitchQueenOfDarkness

I have one friend who has chosen not to be vaccinated and is struggling to understand why I won't have lunch with her.

It's her decision of course but I also have the right not to knowingly put myself at risk.

This.

I respect your choice, just don't come within 2 meters of me.

I think a lot of people have had reservations about the vaccine but have realised, in this instance, it’s for the greater good. My friend who is a nurse was one of the first to be vaccinated and had reservations for example. I think the negativity directed at those who choose not to have it comes from a sense that they feel it’s ok for others to take the risk but not them. I’m not saying this is right, it’s just how it’s perceived.

It's sensible because if 1000 vaccinated people catch covid there will be very few fatalities. If 1000 unvaccinated people catch covid a lot of them will be hospitalised with covid and spread it to others.

So seems mad to me that anyone sensible would choose by far the riskier option, even taking into account the vanishingly small risk of serious side effect from the vaccinate. That's why people think people who won't have the covid vaccinate are not sensible - because they're going against scientific data currently available.

I will fully admit i judge very harshly people who refuse the vaccine. Yes there are those that have valid reasons for refusing such as a previous history of serious reactions to medication. However the vast majority are either plain selfish or not as intelligent and educated as they like to believe they are! What about the risk of varients? The risk of passing it to someone vulnerable who was UNABLE instead of unwilling to have the vaccine? We live in a me, me, me society now!

Have you justified not getting the vaccine because so many others have, for the greater good, that you feel it's unlikely you'll catch it now? Kind of 'let everyone else crack on and I'll sit back to see what happens to them'?

I respect your choice, just don't come within 2 meters of me.

I find this attitude a lot more dangerous than anything else if you don't stay 2 meters away from everybody else as well.

The jab is not a magic potion!

@Kidsaregrim

I’ve found that people get upset that unvaccinated people are holding society back from coming out of this pandemic, like they are not contributing to herd immunity.

I do not agree.

I am vaccinated and vaccinate people.

I get irritated by the person in the hairdressers who tells the unvaccinated hairdresser not to have it because she will catch HIV. And she listens and thanks her because she has only heard about the “chip”.

I’m all for the person who comes to the vaccination centre, listens, weighs up the pros and cons, reads the information sheet and says “I don’t think I want it yet/at all”

Thank you for coming, not my body, not my choice. No one and I mean NO ONE, pandemic or no pandemic has the right to tell any other person what they should do with their body.

That seems to be one of the factors, people.would rather read a snipet or watch a YouTube video then presume x, and unless they have done in-depth research to cover all bases, basically a fox mulder analysis of all available information, then they would only get a partial piece of information.

Reminds me of Rwanda in the 90s, how the Tutsis were demonised as cockroaches and similar. One million men, woman and children hacked to death by their neighbours.

This has got to be one of the most offensive and ridiculous responses to this and any other thread.

I didn't say my choice was the right one. Everyone has their own view on this and there isn't a right or wrong in how someone feels about it. You just go with your gut.

No you don’t go with your gut. You go with evidence.

Whatever OP you do you. But it doesn’t make you as important or special as I think you think it does.

Op, I can understand a genuine fear of needles or because you have a clotting problem. Why don't you want a vaccine that is proven to be pretty safe?

@RoomOfRequirement

I assume those who choose not to get it are either stupid or selfish. Possibly both.

… or extremely intelligent! This vaccine is a trial drug until 2023! Can’t fathom why anyone would put that drug in their system

I absolutely agree re clap for carers - as long as you don't pretend to care about the staff who've kept the NHS going then that's fine.

On a personal level I'm pretty pissed off that its already been "suggested" that as a double vacced person I will need to be prepared to cover the multiple self isolations expected for non vacced staff over the winter.

@star2890

I am unvaccinated. But this is purely due to a lifelong phobia of injections. I have spoken to a doc who has prescribed me some nubbing cream and a sedative. But as i've never taken a sedative before, the idea of taking that ALSO really scares me.

I wanted to have the vaccine in a quiet Gp office where I could lie down but i'm told they aren't offering that service and that I am to go to a centre where I just can't queue and let myself get more and more nervous that i'm more likely to just leave. (I have fainted when having blood tests before)

Just the thought of it all made me feel faint the other day.

So i'm not vaccinated, because of a injection fear.

Same here. I am a danger to anyone that comes at me with a needle. I can't help it. I had a huge panic attack recently when a pulse oximeter was put on my finger.

My SIL is proudly unvaccinated. The obvious issue that I have with it is that individuals being vaccinated protects the community and those more vulnerable so to not be vaccinated is selfish unless personal health doesn’t allow it. However the clincher in terms of considering her selfish was that when she announced that she wasn’t going to be vaccinated, it was because she believed that people of her age were unlikely to get ill, deaths mainly happened amongst the elderly and therefore it covid was allowed to happen, it would basically be a ‘culling’. Apparently not a bad thing! It’s the only time I’ve ever told her to fuck off and I still feel sickened by the attitude. Selfish and ignorant.

@CherryPieface

Reminds me of Rwanda in the 90s, how the Tutsis were demonised as cockroaches and similar. One million men, woman and children hacked to death by their neighbours.

This has got to be one of the most offensive and ridiculous responses to this and any other thread.

Not really Cherry the othering and vitriol directed at vaccine refusers is alarming.

@OnOldOlympus

You just go with your gut. But this is exactly it, I didn’t go with my gut. I made a decision based on logic and science and the expert advice of public health professionals.

This. Guts know fuck all about how vaccines work. I orefer to go with my brain, personally.

@HairyToity

I had no issue with unvaccinated, until a few days ago. A friend has had to miss her sisters wedding this weekend, for which she was meant to be a bridesmaid, after her work colleague (unvaccinated) went down with covid. My friend was a close contact. My friend has had one dose, and hopefully will be okay.

I feel for your sister, it must be frustrating for her. Let's not forget though that her close contact still could have caught Covid if she have been vaccinated. It lessens the risk, doesn't stop the risk entirely. So your sister would have been in the same position under current rules irrespective of the other persons vaccination status.

I can't understand the point of abusing someone you disagree with.

What exactly do you expect? "you call me stupid, oh you are right, I change my mind?".

If that's the best incentive you can find to get people vaccinated, we're screwed frankly.

Lots of people on this thread seem convinced that having a large majority of the UK adult population vaccinated will lead to the end of lockdowns/masks etc.

Any opinions on what's currently happening in Israel? After 85 percent of the adult population vaccinated, out of 9 million people, they are now bringing back restrictions because of 350 news cases and 1 death. They are also 'racing to vaccinate children', even though children are at practically zero risk of becoming very ill with Covid.

www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-07-01/israel-scrambles-curb-jump-covid-infections

Lauralou Yeah it's very selfish to unilaterally decide against jabs. It's fucking ridiculous to allow the virus any more purchase than it already has. Get jabbed or fuck off.