Thoughts on the non-vaccinated!

[UnluckyMe]

Why have people been so critical of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated against covid 19?

I've read all sorts of comments about those, like me, who chose not to be vaccinated calling us selfish, uneducated and so on. There seems to be a massive lack of respect for what others choose to do with their body and I'm just curious as go why people feel the need to make comments about it. There are obviously many who don't and I do acknowledge that, my post is more directed to thoughts on why the other side do (feels very playground bully like to me).

The way I see it is everyone has a choice - respect that choice and move on with life rather than throwing insults at one another or dwell on something out of your own control.

I'd also like to confirm i do not own tin foil hat, expect the end of days soon or believe everyone will drop dead in 6 months / will transform into magneto from X-Men (all those coins sticking to people's arms!)

I have followed the rules down to a tee but have just chosen not to be vaccinated at present. Maybe I will change my mind, maybe I won't 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I am genuinely curious - I read on another post "all vulnerable and sensible people have had the jab" as a comment which riled me a bit too! I like to think I'm pretty sensible but clearly this Mumsnetter thinks otherwise 😆😆

You know how anti-vaxxers are painted with this brush of being conspiracy theorists etc. You scream angry pro-vaxxer. I will run all my life decisions through you from now on. Look out for my emails.

Let’s not pretend this wouldn’t actually be an excellent idea.

Read through the whole thread and surprised no one has mentioned natural immunity. Obviously, the usual; I'm not having lunch with the unvaccinated and if someone gets Covid it'll obviously be from the unvaccinated. Thankfully my friends (vaccinated) realise they could be asymptomatic and give me (unvaccinated) Covid.

My question re immunity; I've had Covid recently. Is it selfish and stupid of me to now not have the vaccination even though I likely already have natural immunity?

@BounceyBumblebee

Herd mentality. Covid fear has become like a religion to some. Not following the narrative, and going against the grain, is like blasphemy to them.

Just ignore them. Keep quite, once the majority have been vaccinated the gov will end the propaganda and it'll all be forgotten.

Exactly this. It's a cult mentality.

‘ So having the jab has no effect on infection and transmission. You'll still be a carrier, you can still test positive you are just likely to suffer less than someone who hasn't had the jab.‘

UnluckyMe you are simply wrong about the jab having no effect on transmission.
It does not prevent it 100%. It reduces it significantly.
If you have been misunderstanding this all this time no wonder you are confused.

So yes, unless medical reasons it's very very selfish.

🙄 Its getting really boring hearing this now.

And also, the double vaccinated seem to think that they're 100% immune and unable to give anyone Covid, when it suits them. Just this morning the plumber said as he was coming into my house not wearing a mask "I'm double vaccinated". Haha.

The thing that gets me, whilst their screaming their lungs out is that those same people are still able to catch covid and pass it on. So having the jab has no effect on infection and transmission. You'll still be a carrier, you can still test positive you are just likely to suffer less than someone who hasn't had the jab.

Sigh, @UnluckyMe, this blanket is not correct. Mounting evidence suggests COVID vaccines do reduce transmission.

Vaccines’ primary purpose is to prevent people from getting really sick with the virus, and it quickly became clear the vaccines are highly efficient at doing just that. Efficacy against symptoms of the disease in clinical trials has ranged from 50% (Sinovac) to 95% (Pfizer/BioNTech), and similar effectiveness has been reported in the real world.

Early evidence from testing in animals, where researchers can directly study transmission, suggested immunisation with COVID-19 vaccines could prevent animals passing on the virus.

But animals are not people, and the scientific community has been waiting for more conclusive studies in humans. The scientific community uses actual data and not rhetoric before making statements.

In April, Public Health England reported the results of a large study of COVID-19 transmission involving more than 365,000 households with a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated members.

It found immunisation with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine reduced the chance of onward virus transmission by 40–60%. This means that if someone became infected after being vaccinated, they were only around half as likely to pass their infection on to others compared to infected people who were not vaccinated.

One study from Israel, which leads the world in coronavirus vaccinations, gives some clues about what is behind this reduced transmission. Researchers identified nearly 5000 cases of breakthrough infection in previously vaccinated people, and determined how much virus was present in their nose swabs. Compared to unvaccinated people, the amount of virus detected was significantly lower in those who got vaccinated.

More virus in the nose has been linked to greater infectiousness and increased risks of onward transmission.

These studies show vaccination is likely to substantially reduce virus transmission by reducing the pool of people who become infected, and reducing virus levels in the nose in people with breakthrough infections.

I’d like to echo the PPs who have pointed out having the vaccine DOES reduce risk of transmission.

I think people find it frustrating (I certainly do) when people make such important decisions based on incorrect information.

In my youth the smallpox vaccine was mandatory, It was how smallpox was eradicated from this country and eventually from the rest of the world.

@UnluckyMe

FFS I now understand why mumsnet has a rep for being a host site for moany women! I get everyone has an opinion but the way some people articulate themselves just blows my mind.

I won't be responding to anyone else now or reading the remainder of the thread. To those who have had the ability to respond in a way which doesn't position themselves on a high horse looking down on the turds they call the unvaccinated, thank you!

Enjoy your week all!

What an unbelievably childish reaction. Told she has been majorly misunderstanding a key point, throws toys out of pram and flounces from thread.

@CrouchEndTiger12

I must admit I'm the same when it comes to illnesses headaches I won't go straight for the paracetamol but obviously if I was really ill I would seek medical help
Antibiotics are handed out so easily!
Bodies are amazing and can heal we don't have to take medication as soon as we have a little niggle
It's not about being proud but I like to give my body a chance before getting a helping hand

@UnluckyMe

FFS I now understand why mumsnet has a rep for being a host site for moany women! I get everyone has an opinion but the way some people articulate themselves just blows my mind.

I won't be responding to anyone else now or reading the remainder of the thread. To those who have had the ability to respond in a way which doesn't position themselves on a high horse looking down on the turds they call the unvaccinated, thank you!

Enjoy your week all!

You started the thread 🙄

Next time there is a thread like this we can save a lot of time by checking right at the start that the op understands that covid vaccines reduce transmission.
I assumed everyone had grasped this by now but clearly I was naive.

Yeah that didn't help OP. Haha.

Exactly this. It's a cult mentality

Oh FFS, what tired cliché will you post next? "Wake up, sheeples!", perhaps. Whereas being an individual, I'm all right Jack, selfish twat is ok? Hey, but as long as you're an individual, and are such a totally different and special snowflake from everyone else that's what really important. No such thing as herd immunity, no such thing as collective responsibility or the greater good, apparently.

Rillington

I had AZ myself and didn't have any side effects. Nobody in my family and friends had any side effects apart from a sore/dead arm.

Yes, and many people who have covid get I symptoms at all.

I am not an anti vaxxer - I have taken most vaccinations, including those not on the NHS. But these are just rushed out, in a herd panic solution.

When AZ was being linked to blod clots in younger people, the call was its EU, its lies, then oh, well too bad. Now most places have restrictions on its delivery to certain age groups. The risk of death was greater than catching covid for certain age groups.

Now pfizer is showing that for young males, they could get an inflamed heart. Just this week a 13 year old died from said complication. When we know children are far less likely to suffer badly from Covid, but the vaccination is likely to seriously damage them - why should they be forced to take a higher risk.

Other evidence is emerging Women's menstrual cycles are being affected. So far once again - being dismissed - for now.

If you are scared of Covid - take the vaccination. Its to protect you and lower your risk. The vaccination doesn't magically provide herd immunity - so does catching the virus. But don't make others take the risk because you've bought into the fear factor. I'll note once again Sweden's death rate is still lower than the UK, and didn't lockdown crazy like the UK. Those saying take the vaccine are the same as those saying now. Each is looking out for themselves.

[quote Greenrubber]@CrouchEndTiger12

I must admit I'm the same when it comes to illnesses headaches I won't go straight for the paracetamol but obviously if I was really ill I would seek medical help
Antibiotics are handed out so easily!
Bodies are amazing and can heal we don't have to take medication as soon as we have a little niggle
It's not about being proud but I like to give my body a chance before getting a helping hand[/quote]
But you're not declaring it proudly?

Most things don't need antibiotics. Last time I had them was IV for pyelonephritis.

If a headache is making you uncomfortable and you've tried the usual drinking water and making sure it isn't dehydration, why soldier on and think you're a better person.

It is a first world oddity. Throwing off benefits that the the third world can only dream of having.

@UnluckyMe

FFS I now understand why mumsnet has a rep for being a host site for moany women! I get everyone has an opinion but the way some people articulate themselves just blows my mind.

I won't be responding to anyone else now or reading the remainder of the thread. To those who have had the ability to respond in a way which doesn't position themselves on a high horse looking down on the turds they call the unvaccinated, thank you!

Enjoy your week all!

What a delicious flounce

Of course it can’t be the OP who is wrong - it’s just mumsnet being typical moany women…

Buddywoo

In my youth the smallpox vaccine was mandatory, It was how smallpox was eradicated from this country and eventually from the rest of the world.

And the vaccine also killed and maimed a lot of previously healthy people. It was far from safe, and “effective” meant accepting massive collateral damage... such as we are seeing now.

Many spread utter BS. Like not tested etc. MRNA technology been used for a decade and the other tech for longer. It’s just like the change of flu vaccine every year. Show lack of understanding of side effects as it relates to public health

Lots of posters have asked for peoples reasons for not having the vaccine, so here are some of mine...i don't want to be jumped on for 'spreading fear' - I'm completely comfortable in my choice and have no interest in rl about debating it or 'converting' anyone. So just answering the questions. Sorry if it's long.

Anyway...the above quote perfectly illustrates my first point.

1. The amount of misinformation spread in order to encourage people to vaccinate. This in itself worries me. MRNA has not been used 'for a decade' like this poster suggests and isn't used in flu vaccines. It's been researched for decades, sure - mainly for its use in other capacities such as stem cells and cancer treatments rather than vaccines. But MRNA technology has NEVER been used in humans - in fact, many trials of various treatments using MRNA were unsuccessful and none have ever before gained approval.
2. The vaccine companies have quite literally gambled billions on these vaccines. There is a huge need for them to make these vaccines succeed. There are lots of sub points to this but I find press information and interviews from mid last year interesting - it really hasn't aged well at all. Lots of self serving CEOs who were denigrated for selling their shares as soon as companies had a huge uplift in SP. These vaccine companies are a business and having a vaccine that was pulled from the market within months would have decimated them - its in their interests for poor results, problems etc to go away quietly. That concerns me a lot. And no, this isn't comparable to other vaccines or meds, in which big Pharm also has a vested interest. This is the biggest opportunity to make billions quickly that these firms have ever had. It's literally a unique, possibly one off, opportunity.
3. The speed these vaccines were made. MRNA technology went from being an interesting theory that wasn't approved for anything, despite numerous tests and pre-trials (due to lack of efficacy or concerns over serious potential immune responses in the recipients) to being injected into thousands of people within weeks. No one can convince me that this wasn't rushed. The 'race' to be the first vaccine on the market was well documented.
4. The risks of CV to me and my family are low.
5. The risks (long term) of the vaccine are unknown. So are the long term risks of CV...but to be honest, I trust my bodies natural long term response more right now than I trust the unknown effects of new, recently experimental vaccines.

There are probably others! But these are what play at the top of my mind.

You're not asking for reasons though. All the information is readily available. You want to ignore it and accuse anyone who points that out of bullying you. Well, crack on.

Millions of people have died

Historically look how many lives have been saved by vaccines for; polio, small pox, hepatitis, tetanus, MMR, flu, covid etc

It makes sense to have the vaccine

Yes I've had my vaccine

Those who choose not to have, need to be aware of the risks

[quote MercyBooth]@LuluJakey1 You should pitch that to Netflix.[/quote]
I am humming over writing the script - whilst watching 2 year old DS roaming round the garden looking like one of the undead.

Do you think Netflix might pay me what they are paying H and M?