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Thoughts on the non-vaccinated!

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UnluckyMe · 04/07/2021 22:31

Why have people been so critical of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated against covid 19?

I've read all sorts of comments about those, like me, who chose not to be vaccinated calling us selfish, uneducated and so on. There seems to be a massive lack of respect for what others choose to do with their body and I'm just curious as go why people feel the need to make comments about it. There are obviously many who don't and I do acknowledge that, my post is more directed to thoughts on why the other side do (feels very playground bully like to me).

The way I see it is everyone has a choice - respect that choice and move on with life rather than throwing insults at one another or dwell on something out of your own control.

I'd also like to confirm i do not own tin foil hat, expect the end of days soon or believe everyone will drop dead in 6 months / will transform into magneto from X-Men (all those coins sticking to people's arms!)

I have followed the rules down to a tee but have just chosen not to be vaccinated at present. Maybe I will change my mind, maybe I won't 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I am genuinely curious - I read on another post "all vulnerable and sensible people have had the jab" as a comment which riled me a bit too! I like to think I'm pretty sensible but clearly this Mumsnetter thinks otherwise 😆😆

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Lalliella · 05/07/2021 00:21

My thoughts: that those people are selfish and uneducated.

Choosing not to be vaccinated puts vulnerable people who cannot be vaccinated for valid reasons at risk of death. If you choose not to be vaccinated you should never leave your house again imo.

Lalliella · 05/07/2021 00:23

@DownSideUpped

gnushoes

You've chosen not to be vaccinated but will benefit from the freedom others' vaccination will deliver to you.

Which freedoms would those be?

@DownSideUpped do you seriously not know? You’re not really making yourself look like the sharpest tool in the box are you?
XenoBitch · 05/07/2021 00:23

@Lalliella

My thoughts: that those people are selfish and uneducated.

Choosing not to be vaccinated puts vulnerable people who cannot be vaccinated for valid reasons at risk of death. If you choose not to be vaccinated you should never leave your house again imo.

Or they are scared. Do you think calling people selfish or uneducated would help them come to decide to have the vaccine? Maybe engage with people as to why they are not having it instead of name calling. When did namecalling ever achieve anything apart from making you feel big?
Duckypoohs · 05/07/2021 00:24

@Lalliella

My thoughts: that those people are selfish and uneducated.

Choosing not to be vaccinated puts vulnerable people who cannot be vaccinated for valid reasons at risk of death. If you choose not to be vaccinated you should never leave your house again imo.

You are a fascist.
BarbieJ · 05/07/2021 00:24

Terrified of what, @XenoBitch, needle phobia?

AlexaShutUp · 05/07/2021 00:24

I think there is some general confusion about what the right to choose actually means.

Of course, individuals have an absolute right to choose whether or not to have the vaccine. The state cannot force people to have it. You will not be rounded up and jabbed against your will. It's your choice.

What you cannot choose, if you choose not to have the vaccine, is to avoid the consequences of your decisions. You cannot stop the virus from infecting you and potentially putting you or a loved one in hospital. You cannot stop others from believing that you have made stupid choices. You cannot stop others from seeing you as a risk and taking measures to protect themselves and others who might be vulnerable. You get to choose whether or not to put the jab in your arm. You don't get to choose what happens as a result of that.

Lalliella · 05/07/2021 00:25

@gamerchick

One thing was a referendum over a political issue. The other is a question of of health and ethics - it’s not even as if a 52 - 48 split between vaccinations and non*vaccinations would mean everyone got or didn’t get the virus. The two things aren’t even remotely comparable or similar

I did, because it reminds me of the endless whining that went on. The 2 affected everyone. The endless namecalling that went on and still going on.

Leavers selfish, thick, racist etc. The unvaccinated, thick, selfish and self serving.

It just goes on and on.

Leavers selfish, thick, racist etc. The unvaccinated, thick, selfish and self serving.

Perfect summary. Well done.

DownSideUpped · 05/07/2021 00:26

Lalliella

My thoughts: that those people are selfish and uneducated.

Choosing not to be vaccinated puts vulnerable people who cannot be vaccinated for valid reasons at risk of death. If you choose not to be vaccinated you should never leave your house again imo.

As if you give two hoots about vulnerable people who can’t be vaccinated! How do you distinguish between them and anyone who simply chooses not to have it? You can’t. I can’t have the jab but am lumped in with all the derogatory descriptions on this thread and have had people wish me dead etc. You aren’t having the jab to protect people like me and I definitely don’t want anyone to have it for my benefit. I’ve had covid and it was shit, but I’m fine as my immune system did its job. Should I be locked in my home forever more?

XenoBitch · 05/07/2021 00:27

@BarbieJ

Terrified of what, *@XenoBitch*, needle phobia?
In my case, yes. And for some other people it will be about side effects etc. I just don't think calling people stupid is fair when they are most likely hesitant due to being worried. The people who think there are microchips in the vaccine etc are in a tiny (and vocal) minority, yet everyone who is hesitant gets lumped in with them.
AnotherSunrise · 05/07/2021 00:31

@AlexaShutUp

I think there is some general confusion about what the right to choose actually means.

Of course, individuals have an absolute right to choose whether or not to have the vaccine. The state cannot force people to have it. You will not be rounded up and jabbed against your will. It's your choice.

What you cannot choose, if you choose not to have the vaccine, is to avoid the consequences of your decisions. You cannot stop the virus from infecting you and potentially putting you or a loved one in hospital. You cannot stop others from believing that you have made stupid choices. You cannot stop others from seeing you as a risk and taking measures to protect themselves and others who might be vulnerable. You get to choose whether or not to put the jab in your arm. You don't get to choose what happens as a result of that.

Well said
Duckypoohs · 05/07/2021 00:33

Why can't people see the blatant social pressure and propoganda? If this was a seriously deadly plague then you wouldn't need the peer pressure and celeb endorsement, government people wouldn't be breaking the rules. I'm not scared by the virus, I'm scared by people, those who have never actually thought anything through in their lives, just switch the news on and download.

ClareBlue · 05/07/2021 00:35

And those unvaccinated who end up in hospital will be taking resources that could be treating other non Covid sick people. So by refusing to be vaccinated you not only facilitate the increased likelihood of death from Covid in the community but also the likelihood of death in the community from other diseases.
Should the ambulance be picking up the unvaccinated Covid collapse gasping for air, or the middle aged father of 3 having a heart attack. Finite health resources and all that.

AnotherSunrise · 05/07/2021 00:35

How can any sane rational person be 'scared' of a vaccine that protects you from getting a covid variant, going into hospital and possibly dying?? Not to mention putting everyone else at risk

AnotherSunrise · 05/07/2021 00:36

@Duckypoohs

Why can't people see the blatant social pressure and propoganda? If this was a seriously deadly plague then you wouldn't need the peer pressure and celeb endorsement, government people wouldn't be breaking the rules. I'm not scared by the virus, I'm scared by people, those who have never actually thought anything through in their lives, just switch the news on and download.
Well you should be scared by the virus
ClareBlue · 05/07/2021 00:37

@Duckypoohs

Why can't people see the blatant social pressure and propoganda? If this was a seriously deadly plague then you wouldn't need the peer pressure and celeb endorsement, government people wouldn't be breaking the rules. I'm not scared by the virus, I'm scared by people, those who have never actually thought anything through in their lives, just switch the news on and download.
How many dead is serious? What criteria would you use for magnitude of seriousness?
AlexaShutUp · 05/07/2021 00:38

@Duckypoohs

Why can't people see the blatant social pressure and propoganda? If this was a seriously deadly plague then you wouldn't need the peer pressure and celeb endorsement, government people wouldn't be breaking the rules. I'm not scared by the virus, I'm scared by people, those who have never actually thought anything through in their lives, just switch the news on and download.
But why would you assume that they haven't thought things through? Perhaps they have, and they have reached different conclusions to your own?
XenoBitch · 05/07/2021 00:39

@ClareBlue

And those unvaccinated who end up in hospital will be taking resources that could be treating other non Covid sick people. So by refusing to be vaccinated you not only facilitate the increased likelihood of death from Covid in the community but also the likelihood of death in the community from other diseases. Should the ambulance be picking up the unvaccinated Covid collapse gasping for air, or the middle aged father of 3 having a heart attack. Finite health resources and all that.
Unvaccinated Covid patients end up on the same ward as the vaccinated Covid patients (of which there are many). Both need treatment, and neither are taking away a bed from someone else. That is a massive stretch to say someone not having the vaccine is going to result in the death of someone from something else entirely.

Ambulances are sent out and prioritised according to need. Triage is a thing. In the same vein, someone who has attempted suicide is using up an ambulance for a stroke victim who really wants to live.

XenoBitch · 05/07/2021 00:41

@AnotherSunrise

How can any sane rational person be 'scared' of a vaccine that protects you from getting a covid variant, going into hospital and possibly dying?? Not to mention putting everyone else at risk
Have you heard of health anxiety? A lot of people are more scared of the side effects and the minute chance of a blood clot than they are of Covid. Now, what is more helpful? Support and guidance for them?... or calling them selfish and uneducated?
MercyBooth · 05/07/2021 00:41

@LuluJakey1 You should pitch that to Netflix.

Ratalie · 05/07/2021 00:42

If you choose not to be vaccinated you should never leave your house again imo.
While that's overkill, I'd be more sympathetic to vaccine refusers if the consequence were them being in lock down until the pandemic subsides.

UrAWizHarry · 05/07/2021 00:42

Vax refusers have the right to not get the vaccine.

Others have the right to think such people are dim.

Swings and roundabouts.

Genderwitched · 05/07/2021 00:42

Well to be honest I agree that fear of coronavirus is over the top and out of control and I didn't have the vaccine because I'm scared of the virus. After all I have never had the flue vaccine.

I had it so we can all get out of this mess and get back to normal. And that's why I think the unvaccinated are selfish.

Genderwitched · 05/07/2021 00:44

That should say 'flu' vaccine

sleepwouldbenice · 05/07/2021 00:45

@Duckypoohs

Why can't people see the blatant social pressure and propoganda? If this was a seriously deadly plague then you wouldn't need the peer pressure and celeb endorsement, government people wouldn't be breaking the rules. I'm not scared by the virus, I'm scared by people, those who have never actually thought anything through in their lives, just switch the news on and download.
In general I am not majorly bothered by the ‘unvaccinated’. Within this there will be many reasons from health history (both physical and mental) and some wait an see. I maybe get a tad frustrated for those who just don’t seem to be able to assess their risk but overall take up rates are good and I believe in the right to choose

Then I read posts like this......where someone had just fallen down a rabbit hole....and I just despair really. This is the type of person who denies the whole covid issue and it’s pathetic

DownSideUpped · 05/07/2021 00:48

AnotherSunrise

How can any sane rational person be 'scared' of a vaccine that protects you from getting a covid variant, going into hospital and possibly dying?? Not to mention putting everyone else at risk

According to PHE there are more vaccinated over 50s in hospital than unvaccinated, and more vaccinated have died from the delta variant than unvaccinated. So I don’t think this is evidence of protection from the new variant, or prevention of hospitalisation or death. It’s evidence of the complete opposite.