Anti-lockdowners pretending to care about kids again

[noblegiraffe]

So it's all over the news about how nearly 400,000 kids are having to isolate because of covid cases in schools. Complaints about how disruptive to education it is and to the mental health of the children involved. This disruptive isolation must end as soon as possible.

Contrast to last November when nearly a million kids were self-isolating in a week. Do you remember the headlines, discussions and outrage about that?

No, of course you don't. Because back then, the solution to so many kids isolating was to put more mitigation measures in schools and attempt to stop so many kids catching it.

Now they can argue that it doesn't matter if all kids catch it, they're all over the 'terrible' isolation figures which are less than half of those last year.

I'm SO done with people only caring about kids and education when they think that they can use them for their own benefit.

If these loud voices could be used to talk about things like the cuts to pupil premium, the pitiful covid catch-up funding, the critical shortage of teachers, the unsafe state of schools, the massive waiting lists for CAMHS and SEN services, then maybe I'd believe them when they claim to care about children.

With you 100% OP.

Too bloody right.

I agree OP.

Have been saying this on Mumsnet throughout-there are a great number of people who, as long is it doesn’t/didn’t affect them, they did not care and just wanted schools open ‘at all costs’ and with no mitigation, such as those pesky masks.

But as soon as it affects them, they are all over it. The number of threads on Mumsnet currently about it is not surprising too.
We all said this when we were worried about coming back in March with unreliable LFTs and then again in May when masks were taken away.

We were ignored, gaslighted and shouted down.

We were ‘rewarded’ with parents sending in their symptomatic children without PCR testing.

You reap what you sow.

My heart goes out to the current families and children self isolating.

One hundred percent accurate.

The "anti lockdown" people I know who've been to every protest have been against these measures from the start. Maybe people are jumping on the bandwagon or starting to realise that isolating is a farce when footballers don't have to do it but children do?

Just like others only pretend to care about the vulnerable when it comes to covid. 🤷‍♀️

mog the anti lockdowners that are all over Mumsnet were completely silent on the effect of repeated isolations on children and their education before Christmas because anything that potentially drew attention to infection rates in schools was off-limits in case they decided to do something about it like introduce masks. Any suggestion of mitigation measures were a sign, it was claimed, that you wanted to close schools, in an effort to shut down conversations.

Every post about schools was met with my kid’s school is fine, zero cases. And yet now, when isolations are much lower the board is full of threads about how their kid has to isolate and how unacceptable it is.

They didn’t give a shit before.

And, by the way, these people are fighting for human rights and freedom of all.

They are fighting for themselves and their own interests and using kids to do it.

I’m not anti-lockdown but I adamantly support the end of close contact isolation in favour of testing or nothing at all.. it’s just not sustainable long term. I know kids on 6/7th periods of isolation, some back to back. That’s 70 days those children who aren’t poorly are not allowed out their house. Given COVIDs minimal affect on kids & that teachers & staff will be double vaccinated by September, it is the right approach to review what we are doing now.

Noble, I have admired you from afar for the time you have put in trying to do what is right for the children.

I just can't understand, how people like you, as a teacher, are so oblivious to the facts.

I haven’t mentioned vaccines at all, Cautious.

I think the enforced isolations for schoolchildren are the definition of insanity.

Children sharing rooms with siblings who don’t have to isolate but the child who sits in the same classroom as you means you do?! Madness!

I adamantly support the end of close contact isolation in favour of testing or nothing at all..

No problem with having that conversation, it needs to happen at some point.

What I am pissed off about is all the faux concern about the terrible impact on kids currently in evidence when zero fucks were given by the same people last year.

So it's all over the news about how nearly 400,000 kids are having to isolate because of covid cases in schools. Complaints about how disruptive to education it is and to the mental health of the children involved. This disruptive isolation must end as soon as possible.

Contrast to last November when nearly a million kids were self-isolating in a week. Do you remember the headlines, discussions and outrage about that?

But surely a big difference is that now, more and more parents/grandparents/teachers/general public are vaccinated. So their argument would be that back in November, curbing the spread was more important. Whereas now there’ll be far more people thinking that the spread matters less now that vaccinations are high.

I’m not saying this is a flawless argument, but you are suggesting the only difference between November and now, is convenience of the argument. When actually the cost/benefit of having kids isolating has changed.

@CautiousBlonde

I know you didn't ask my opinion, but since you've posed a question that is off topic, I'll give mine too.

I think the cohort campaigning against the vaccine for children ought to butt out. Decline it for your own child, but don't take away the choice for other parents. What's hard about that?

So their argument would be that back in November, curbing the spread was more important.

Yes, curbing the spread was more important before Christmas which was why there was radio silence on this issue because they didn’t want to curb the spread in kids. That’s my point.

@CautiousBlonde what facts do you think noble is oblivious to? She's been talking about isolation figures for months, asking about mitigations for months to stop so many kids having to isolate so often, etc. Which facts is she missing?

Also if these 'concerned parents' had ever loaned their voice to children being unfairly treated, there maybe wouldn't have been so many children with disabilities excluded from education for the past so many years.

They were silent before covid, and will crawl back into silence afterwards.

[quote DumplingsAndStew]@CautiousBlonde

I know you didn't ask my opinion, but since you've posed a question that is off topic, I'll give mine too.

I think the cohort campaigning against the vaccine for children ought to butt out. Decline it for your own child, but don't take away the choice for other parents. What's hard about that?[/quote]
Totally agree, people should have the choice.

Oh not this again. Only I really care about children, only my way is right.

Has it ever occured to you that other people do very much care about the wellbeing of their children but just don't agree with you?

Who are you to say they are pretending to care, as oposed to actually caring? You have no idea.

Equally someone could easily say you're only pretending to care about kids when in actual fact you only care about your own risk and wellbeing.

@CautiousBlonde, the survival rate in children may be almost 100%, but not for shielding children some of whom haven’t been out for over a year; not for older age groups to whom children may pass infections either. And is surviving with long Covid, or having lost a limb (OK rare but it has happened), all fine?

And stats easily show that fatalities from the vaccine are far still lower for younger age groups than fatalities from Covid.

And there’s the questions of how we achieve herd immunity without vaccine older children; also if Covid keeps circulating in schools it may produce a more vaccine-evasive variant.

Cautious Schools won’t stealth jab kids, there’s always an opt-out even if they do introduce routine covid vaccinations for kids. Just like you can opt out of the flu jab or HPV jab or any childhood vaccinations.

Equally someone could easily say you're only pretending to care about kids when in actual fact you only care about your own risk and wellbeing.

But then I could point them in the direction of my long posting history regarding concern for kids and their education and tell them to jog on.

A history that the anti-lockdowners newly concerned about kids don’t have.