Anti-lockdowners pretending to care about kids again

[noblegiraffe]

So it's all over the news about how nearly 400,000 kids are having to isolate because of covid cases in schools. Complaints about how disruptive to education it is and to the mental health of the children involved. This disruptive isolation must end as soon as possible.

Contrast to last November when nearly a million kids were self-isolating in a week. Do you remember the headlines, discussions and outrage about that?

No, of course you don't. Because back then, the solution to so many kids isolating was to put more mitigation measures in schools and attempt to stop so many kids catching it.

Now they can argue that it doesn't matter if all kids catch it, they're all over the 'terrible' isolation figures which are less than half of those last year.

I'm SO done with people only caring about kids and education when they think that they can use them for their own benefit.

If these loud voices could be used to talk about things like the cuts to pupil premium, the pitiful covid catch-up funding, the critical shortage of teachers, the unsafe state of schools, the massive waiting lists for CAMHS and SEN services, then maybe I'd believe them when they claim to care about children.

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The Government has announced that senior executives can temporarily leave quarantine in England if they are undertaking business activities which will bring 'significant economic benefit' to the economy.

Wrong thread, cornflowers, no idea what David said!

[quote noblegiraffe]For those concerned about mental health in young people, Young Minds are running a 'Fund the Hubs' campaign to get funding for national hubs providing early support for young people with their mental health.

If you fill out your postcode, it auto-generates an email to your MP.

act.youngminds.org.uk/fund-the-hubs[/quote]
Thanks, done.

Don’t hold out much hope because my MO has responded to my two other emails on our school children’s mental health and the woeful experience too many have had this past year because CAMHS and SW refused to see young people face to face for too long. Schools, teachers and school staff have carried the baton instead, all the way through.

*MP has not responded.

@VariantL1130

You really can't see the difference between November and now?

The vulnerable have been vaccinated. Thousands of fans are flocking into football stadiums and piling into pubs, but kids are still having to be locked down in their thousands.

That's what people are getting angry about. I wasn't angry in November because I understood the need. I'm angry now because whilst high value business reps can fly into the country and skip quarantine, I can't watch my daughter's first sports day which is in a massive field and at any moment she could have to spend another ten days stuck indoors because of a fleeting contact at school.

Exactly!!!!

@noblegiraffe

Wrong thread, cornflowers, no idea what David said!

Sorry!

Why weren't you angry if your child was needlessly exposed to very high infection rates due to the government's insistence that they wouldn't pay a single penny towards mitigation measures and as a result isolations were over double what they are now?

People saying ' I wasn't angry back then' - why on earth not?

@ChloeDecker

I agree OP.

Have been saying this on Mumsnet throughout-there are a great number of people who, as long is it doesn’t/didn’t affect them, they did not care and just wanted schools open ‘at all costs’ and with no mitigation, such as those pesky masks.

But as soon as it affects them, they are all over it. The number of threads on Mumsnet currently about it is not surprising too.
We all said this when we were worried about coming back in March with unreliable LFTs and then again in May when masks were taken away.

We were ignored, gaslighted and shouted down.

We were ‘rewarded’ with parents sending in their symptomatic children without PCR testing.

You reap what you sow.

My heart goes out to the current families and children self isolating.

Hear hear

Your conspiracy theory ideas have been blown out of the water SO many times @MercyBooth. When are you going to get the hint? You are WRONG. And people are just fed up with it now.

@noblegiraffe

Why weren't you angry if your child was needlessly exposed to very high infection rates due to the government's insistence that they wouldn't pay a single penny towards mitigation measures and as a result isolations were over double what they are now?

People saying ' I wasn't angry back then' - why on earth not?

Because people think the time off from school is a greater risk to their child than covid

@Honey12346

Eh, I'm anti lockdown and have always been against any kind of disruption to children's education. Children should be society's priority, their lives, education and mental health should not be sacrificed for the sake of older people who are free to stay at home and be protected from covid that way

Me too!!!

Have been saying this on Mumsnet throughout-there are a great number of people who, as long is it doesn’t/didn’t affect them, they did not care and just wanted schools open ‘at all costs’ and with no mitigation, such as those pesky masks equally MN middle class, husband working from home, SAHM and a playroom and an acre garden doesn’t mind schools being shut and businesses closed because for them the pandemic is chance to save money and holiday in Cornwall! Everyone is allowed to have a point of view based on their experiences and their concerns.

Well if you think that rampant covid spread in schools from Sept-Dec was a good idea, it did lead in part to cancelled Christmas and schools having to be closed from Jan to March, so perhaps putting in mitigation measures would have not only stopped so many kids having to isolate, but also schools being closed in order to help stop the spiralling death rate.

An argument for rampant covid spread in schools from September when the majority of adults will be double jabbed will be a different kettle of fish.

I think that if people care about the effect of the past 18 months on children they should

1. support the Kevan Collins suggestions for extra funding for education to support kids

1. get masks back in schools. After all, our kids have masks now. One way to reduce the number of kids with infections.

1. Vaccinate vulnerable children, especially in secondary school.

Neither of those two views are wrong. It was always a balancing act of harm.

It was always a balancing act of harm.

Kids in masks and money for improved ventilation, versus a spiralling death rate and schools closed?

Its not a conspiricy theory that behavioural science techniques were used. Neil Ferguson gave an interview about it admitting that he didnt think they could get away with doing what China did. Then having seen Italy do it he realized we could No one was discussing "conspiracy theories" on that thread. We were discussing the book Or trying to.

Mercy perhaps your conversation would be better suited to PM given that it seems like a private discussion.

But giraffe it’s not an exact comparison. It isn’t the case that children walk in maskless and people start dropping like flies. It’s much more complex than that.

I mean, looking at the crowds tonight it is a bit annoying that I have to put a mask on if I move from my mat at ds’s music class tomorrow!

Mind you we won so all is good.

www.channel4.com/news/you-are-sacrificing-the-children-mother-implores-government-to-stop-self-isolation-rules-at-school

Surely this all because they want us to believe we’re out of danger now, so they need to remove as many alarming indicators from the public psyche so we can all get on with ‘living with Covid’ whilst infections soar.

They know that there’s only a certain threshold of pupil isolations before the situation gets out of control and National measures need to be taken. There are so many threads recently lamenting isolation with quite a few sneery regular posters clearly driving the discussion, you certainly go hmmm. Schools will be a mess in the autumn, will we be able to ‘live with it’?

It isn’t the case that children walk in maskless and people start dropping like flies.

But infection rates in secondary kids before Christmas were the highest of all age groups, so perhaps gathering indoors in large groups without adequate ventilation and no masks had something to do with it...