Anti-lockdowners pretending to care about kids again

[noblegiraffe]

So it's all over the news about how nearly 400,000 kids are having to isolate because of covid cases in schools. Complaints about how disruptive to education it is and to the mental health of the children involved. This disruptive isolation must end as soon as possible.

Contrast to last November when nearly a million kids were self-isolating in a week. Do you remember the headlines, discussions and outrage about that?

No, of course you don't. Because back then, the solution to so many kids isolating was to put more mitigation measures in schools and attempt to stop so many kids catching it.

Now they can argue that it doesn't matter if all kids catch it, they're all over the 'terrible' isolation figures which are less than half of those last year.

I'm SO done with people only caring about kids and education when they think that they can use them for their own benefit.

If these loud voices could be used to talk about things like the cuts to pupil premium, the pitiful covid catch-up funding, the critical shortage of teachers, the unsafe state of schools, the massive waiting lists for CAMHS and SEN services, then maybe I'd believe them when they claim to care about children.

Better than crazed, irrational lockdown zealots making it clear they don’t give a shit about children. Especially if they’re teachers, who should care.

We have highly effective vaccines. The vulnerable are vaccinated. Get a grip.

Aren't they stopping enforced isolation soon anyway?

Surely this all because they want us to believe we’re out of danger now, so they need to remove as many alarming indicators from the public psyche so we can all get on with ‘living with Covid’ whilst infections soar

Which comes under behavioural science.

They are, I think @Bryonyshcmyony. As it’s wholly disproportionate.

Oh I’m sure they did but I think the problem is that was difficult to avoid, given that ventilation in winter is always going to be difficult and that teens aren’t famed for making wise decisions with regard to wearing marks properly! And plus the layout of some schools is a nightmare.

And that’s what I mean about balance of harm.

It harms us if covid kills people. That’s obvious and it’s awful.

But it also harms us when we go into lockdown. I’m honestly not prone to dramatics or theatrics as a rule but the last one in January / February was just awful and I dread another one happening.

Surely people are making more of a fuss now as so many are vaccinated? So not as important kids are isolated? I can see this is very emotive though but I'd have thought relaxation of isolation rules is a good thing?

It's astonishing that no other mitigation measures have been put in place, I believe that in some states in the US ventilation systems are being installed on schools meanwhile we binned masks while cases were rising. The gov has failed to properly ventilate schools or acknowledge that as an airborne virus that this is a key mitigation measure. Perhaps if a fraction of the billions spent on the useless track and trace had been spent on mitigation we would be in a better place.

We have highly effective vaccines. The vulnerable are vaccinated. Get a grip.

Get a grip about what?

That people are once again using kids to make arguments by pretending to care about them (some pretending that they are the only ones that care about them), then being entirely absent on every other discussion about things that impact children?

No, I'm fucking furious about it.

This is the second time I've posted this thread, btw. The last time it was when anti-lockdowners were handwringing about vulnerable kids missing out on education due to closed schools and how they should be open. Nothing about increasing funding for CAMHS or schools, just alarmist bleating about a 'lost generation'.

Those people were nowhere on discussions about the government's pitiful covid catch-up offering, or on the recent outrageous cuts to pupil premium funding.

They only come out when it's covid measures, and when it's in their interests.

@mercybooth Mumsnet shut the thread down. I didn’t post the controversial links - it was the people you were siding with on that thread.

I challenged the links. That is NOT derailing. And Mumsnet also agreed that the links breached their guidelines.

And now I come on here - to express an opinion - and you start singling me out and attacking again.

The behavioural scientist you referred to - as far as I could see - was pro lockdown. The book was questioning the cost/benefit lockdown so I doubt he agrees.

And then for the author to be interviewed by one particular conspiracy theorist (who has compared the lockdown to the Holocaust which I think is particularly abhorrent/which Mumsnet shut the thread down for) - says it all.

Surely this all because they want us to believe we’re out of danger now, so they need to remove as many alarming indicators from the public psyche so we can all get on with ‘living with Covid’ whilst infections soar.

Possibly but regardless of how much they want to hide it, the disruption to schools, homes and businesses is already happening due to cases and isolating. Two restaurants I know of have shut this week due to staff cases and we have disruption at work due to staff off with kids isolating.

I do think that’s a tiny bit unfair to be honest.

I didn’t comment on the two threads you mention because I didn’t see them. It doesn’t mean I disagree.

However I do worry about masks and their effect on preschoolers. I worry about development of babies born in lockdown. If I had a school aged child I’d be concerned about isolations and burst bubbles. It doesn’t make me a horrible hypocrite, just someone concerned about my own child.

Yes, that seems really unfair. You are only allowed to care about one thing as long as you care about the others? And people probably do very much care but perhaps didn't post?

But it also harms us when we go into lockdown.

Yes, and lockdown is a measure that had to be used because covid spiralled out of control. The reason it spiralled out of control was due to stupid, stupid decisions from this government not to manage it properly. A head in the sand approach to rising infections in schools in particular was unforgivable.

And up till May, things were looking fab for the UK. The Kent variant was well under control, infections dropping in all age groups including schools because a single jab was good enough.

Step forward useless government allowing the delta variant enter the country and then to take off. Now restrictions have had to be extended to July 19th. Slow hand clap.

I suspect @noblegiraffe that you’re just upset as the tide is turning away from locking children up, masking them, and frantically sanitising them.

Sense is now prevailing. I saw a headteacher on tv this morning saying how vitally important it is to stop the isolations for the well being of children.

I’ve actually worked in child protection so don’t just care about children now 😃

. The book was questioning the cost/benefit lockdown

Whats conspiracy theory about a cost benefit analysis.

If I had a school aged child I’d be concerned about isolations and burst bubbles.

Of course you would. However these people who are now so terribly concerned about isolations and burst bubbles did not give a shit about the same issue in November. Any suggestion of mitigations in schools back then in order to reduce spread resulted in personal abuse.

I'll be delighted if they get rid of the isolating bubbles. Masks are a bit pointless when they are the filthy ill fitting ones I see most teens in.

And I’m Scottish, so those threads were not relevant to me. But stopping isolation is

I read today that the school day is purportedly going to be extended by thirty minutes. I’m not sure how I feel about it.

Ive actually noticed quite a few cloth masks on the pavements as well as the disposable ones.

@noblegiraffe I would love to know which ones post on Mumsnet for a salary. It’s strikingly obvious when you see how manipulative they are in ‘gently’ pushing agendas. They’re extremely skilful in their manipulation tactics, definitely not minimum wage entry level stuff.

[quote Thewiseoneincognito]@noblegiraffe I would love to know which ones post on Mumsnet for a salary. It’s strikingly obvious when you see how manipulative they are in ‘gently’ pushing agendas. They’re extremely skilful in their manipulation tactics, definitely not minimum wage entry level stuff.[/quote]
Oh god, not this utter bollocks again. Remind me not to ever open any thread started by noble giraffe ever again.

Ditto - this is even more nuts than usual

@noblegiraffe

It isn’t the case that children walk in maskless and people start dropping like flies.

But infection rates in secondary kids before Christmas were the highest of all age groups, so perhaps gathering indoors in large groups without adequate ventilation and no masks had something to do with it...

But it only mattered when the most at risk were unvaccinated- no one was worried about the children dying in mass, it was about who they could carry it to- now with the vaccine program we need to stop the affect on kids education

@Bryonyshcmyony HI! I don’t recognise you but I’m guessing by your tone I hit a nerve? 🧐