19th July is looking hopeful 😊

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We can live on hope

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57643694

@Watapalava

How did I insult

I posted ons data

Scientific one may say

I found your response to my posts rude and dismissive. So yes, as a very worried parent of a CEV child I think you did insult. Some of the posters on here come across as massively lacking in any empathy, unable to see things from any other viewpoint other than their own selfish one.

@OliveTree75

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Tealights: Oh and talking of vile. Calling Long Covid sufferers 'malingers' and 'the idle'. Which is what some posters on here have done

Link? Screenshot?

@TheVampiresWife I was one of the posters who used the words "malingerers" and "idle", but I was using them to describe those who might spoil things for genuine sufferers for their own selfish reasons, rather than the actual sufferers themselves - something which I suspect the PP knows perfectly well

Under the circumstances it's perhaps not surprising that the links haven't been forthcoming ...

@Puzzledandpissedoff colour me shocked that certain posters purposely take the words of others out of context to defend their own unpleasant opinions. Shooketh, I tell you.

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Here you go, TheVampiresWife - I found the quotes myself for you from Saturday:

Watapalava: (Long Covid) Diagnosis is via a questionnaire - not to mention that the people in the study were never tested for covid in first place!

Puzzled: Are you sure about both of these, Watapalava? Because if it's so it beggars the imagination
Still, looking on the bright side it would offer a shiny new excuse to the idle. It's a shame about what that could do to those who've genuinely got it, but there you are

Follow up from Tealights: And this, people, is exactly what Long Covid sufferers are up against

Puzzled: Sadly, yes it is, and precisely because the idle I mentioned may well spoil things for the genuine. We all know this shouldn't happen, but self diagnosis isn't always the wisest route to take in these circumstances
And unfortunately, for everyone like the poor lady with the blood clots, there's likely to be another with the "special" type of Long Covid which only kicks in when it suits. I'd mention a few I'm acquainted with personally, except I'm well aware that anecdote isn't data

@Tealightsandd

Are you suggesting multiple medics across the national are completing missing the diagnosis of Covid or are you suggesting they are incorrectly completing death certificates?

At least 30% of PCR tests give false negatives (and very few false positives btw).

Patients have repeatedly tested negative (in hospital) in some cases. I posted an article about that the other day. I'll try to find it again after I'm back from the shops.

It's also possible that the PCR tests are even less accurate for the Delta strain.

Then there's the fact that well after 28 days a patient may no longer test positive. Particularly if they're apparently recovered and discharged from hospital. Doesn't change the original cause but it might lead to that original cause being overlooked/missed.

@Tealightsandd

Your medical knowledge is lacking, I’m afraid. People dying of strokes and pneumonia will have imaging (CT most likely) suggestive of covid. There are classic signs that medics know.

I’m truly fascinated by the kindness and compassion shown by some towards long covid, which is obviously not a pleasant condition to be suffering. Yet, throughout the pandemic, I’ve mentioned how my medical treatment has been affected. I’ve spoken of how the shift away from face to face care has negatively affected me and the usual suspects always say “but covid”. And no, before anyone says it, the impact on the NHS isn’t just due to protecting staff and patients from Covid infection, there has been an observable shift away from face to face care in health and social care. I see this in both my personal and professional life.

The shift to long Covid compassion happened when death rates plummeted.
Make of that what you will.
People appointed themselves spokesperson for those with Long Covid as another way to justify extension of restrictions.
Ditto children with CEV.

What a disgusting attitude to other people @HelloMissus, you try having a CEV child and then comment.

pink I’ve fostered hundreds of vulnerable children over the years. I’m not being lectured to by self appointed experts who are only interested in one type of risk.

It’s looking more and more hopeful for the 19th, I don’t see how they can’t after last night, huge parties in London.

How is it looking more hopeful because of parties?

Because if the government are allowing this how can they justify carrying on lockdown rules? No one will follow them now anyway. London is packed, restaurants full it’s like it’s over already. I’m organising event at work for a 1000 people this weekend.

Okay then.

@SuperstoreFan

How is it looking more hopeful because of parties?

Because they weren't broken up for breaking rules unlike, say, the Sarah Everard vigil was.

Also when people are partying in huge numbers and the police turn a blind eye, it makes everyone else realise that the rules are a sham and are only applied selectively (as has always been the case - see Dominic Cummings, Matt Hancock etc). If it's safe for them to do it, it must surely safe for everyone to do it.

its defo happening baileys!

It's been pretty much confirmed already. They've said they "expect cases to be 2/3 x what they are now and we still intend to open as the link has been broken"

There are some posters on here who are going to be gutted having to go back to work in the summer!

@HelloMissus

Absolutely. Now the deaths are down people are grasping to “CEV children” (despite mortality and morbidity being incredibly low in that group) and “long covid”.

It’s just straw clutching.

@TheVampiresWife

The Everard vigil was broken up because it was easy pickings, bully a few women, push them around, look tough.

10s of 1000s football fans fueled by drink is a completely different matter.

Just as the police did nothing about fans complaining about the super league or the scottish ones gathering outside the rangers ground.

Restrictions will be lifted not because scientific reasons but because the balance of power has shifted now Hancock has gone.

Time will tell if this is the correct move or not.

I'm happy that everything will be going back to normal but in the back of my mind I am wondering what'll happen if they let it rip and it mutates, leading to everyone to need boosters.

I feel as though there's a few unanswered questions.

@SuperstoreFan

I'm happy that everything will be going back to normal but in the back of my mind I am wondering what'll happen if they let it rip and it mutates, leading to everyone to need boosters.

I feel as though there's a few unanswered questions.

Everyone will need boosters anyway. And it probably will mutate, because that's what viruses do.

We still have to crack on however, because we can't live with restrictions indefinitely.

Well I wish us luck as we'll be the only country cracking on.

Seriously we are going to open up with 60,000 cases a day? Sounds a bit concerning to me. I hope whoever is doing the calculations gets it right re anticipated deaths and hospital admissions.

At least it’ll blow through more quickly I suppose.

@Thelm

Seriously we are going to open up with 60,000 cases a day? Sounds a bit concerning to me. I hope whoever is doing the calculations gets it right re anticipated deaths and hospital admissions.

At least it’ll blow through more quickly I suppose.

The problem with opening up with those numbers is not going to be hospitalisations and deaths, its going to be that everyone is going to be isolating!

@Thelm

Seriously we are going to open up with 60,000 cases a day? Sounds a bit concerning to me. I hope whoever is doing the calculations gets it right re anticipated deaths and hospital admissions.

At least it’ll blow through more quickly I suppose.

Hospitalisation is the thing to look at and it’s low

The latest NHS England figures show that out of the roughly 87,000 hospital beds at the health service's disposal, fewer than 1,000 were being taken up by people suffering from coronavirus (1.1 per cent) on June 22.

Plus Chris Whitty is backing July 19 going ahead