19th July is looking hopeful 😊

[Baileysforchristmas]

We can live on hope

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57643694

And it was actually the other poster who told me that I was 'enjoying' it all and didn't want it to end. They fling that accusation around a lot on here, aiming it at any of is who want the opposite.

I thought you were venturing out on that high risk trip to the shop to buy essential bread and dripping?

Why are you still here? Hazmat suit in the wash?

Oh and talking of vile. Calling Long Covid sufferers 'malingers' and 'the idle'. Which is what some posters on here have done.

@Tealightsandd

Stop straw clutching about long covid and provide us with some evidence.

Oh yes. You can’t.

As you were…

You claimed that there have been many people who have died from covid even after being jabbed twice with AZ. You cannot prove this because it’s simply not true.

You need Specsavers.

I stated the fact that 50 out of 117 Delta deaths in the UK were doubly jabbed.

I speculated that this might be those who had AZ. Given the recent news data telling us that AZ gives less antibodies (see link posted upthread). Of course this might be just coincidence. It's important to ask the questions though. Hence why we need to know the vaccine breakdown for the deaths. Questions are important.

@IcedPurple

I thought you were venturing out on that high risk trip to the shop to buy essential bread and dripping?

Why are you still here? Hazmat suit in the wash?

Biscuits. I don't need bread.

It's just in the dryer now. Nearly ready.

@Tealightsandd

Oh and talking of vile. Calling Long Covid sufferers 'malingers' and 'the idle'. Which is what some posters on here have done.

Link? Screenshot?

[quote Chillychangchoo]@Tealightsandd

Stop straw clutching about long covid and provide us with some evidence.

Oh yes. You can’t.

As you were…[/quote]
Erm. Read through the thread. And others from yesterday. I've provided several links.

Tealights if you are going to quote the 40% at least post the whole article so we can see it’s totally expected
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

No dear you did not simply just state that (see attached photo for what you actually said).

Seems you are the one who needs specsavers. So please provide me with the data of the “so many who are still dying after being double jabbed”.

Biscuits. I don't need bread.

Biscuits aren't essential. It's incredibly selfish to leave the home for mere biscuits. Don't people know there's a pandemic out there and that looooooooong Covid is spread by irresponsible covidiots heading out for some Rich Tea? That wouldn't happen in Australia. Only in Britain which of course is the laughing stock of the world. It's deja vu. That's what I say.

Link? Screenshot?

I really do have to get to the shops now. I haven't time now but I've screenshot one, so if you can't find it, I'll link later.

I also can’t see the word “might”.

Stop gaslighting.

This might be why around 40% of Delta deaths in the UK are in the double vaccinated.

You realise that those who are double-vaccinated and from higher risk groups that would have accounted for 99+% of deaths pre-vaccine.

The other 60% comprise low risk groups and those from high risk groups who've chosen not to vaccinated. The highest risk groups - where most of the deaths occur - have extremely high vaccine coverage, in excess of 95%.

In short, we could expect deaths to be at least 20 times higher without the vaccine... Vaccines, including AZ, are highly effective in preventing deaths

Link? Screenshot?^

I really do have to get to the shops now. I haven't time now but I've screenshot one, so if you can't find it, I'll link later.

It’s totally normal to expect vaccinated people o make up the deaths

Given so many are vaccinated and they’re nlt 100%

But the actual numbers have reduced hugely which was the whole point

Ah ok. But it's perfectly fine, not at all vile, to suggest that me and others are enjoying the lockdowns and restrictions? And to tell the vulnerable to 'just live with it' and to 'lock themselves away'. And about the deaths the old favourite of some on here 'its only the elderly and vulnerable'. And it's fine for Watapalava to dismiss concerns of worried parents of CEV children (who quite reasonably want their children prioritised for vaccines)

Some people are happier to have a reason not to interact with others, go to busy shops, go away on holiday etc. I actually understand that. The pressure to be 'social' can be pretty unbearable for those not inclined to be so naturally - I know, I'm like that myself! It's not vile to suggest that's the case. But it's pretty nasty to say that people are enjoying the deaths of others.

I'm CV myself and am quite happy to be told to 'live with it', so please don't imagine you speak for everyone who's vulnerable. From my point of view it's incredibly arrogant to expect the lives of others to be put on hold indefinitely for me, particularly as I'm double jabbed and as safe as I'm ever going to be. And I do think that if you are still concerned after being double jabbed, the onus is on you to decide whether or not you wish to participate in life fully or lock yourself away - although if you decide on doing the latter, your mental health is probably going to be more of an issue than Covid ever would be.

@Tealightsandd

@Tealightsandd

www.itv.com/news/2021-06-29/covid-two-oxford-vaccines-produce-low-level-of-antibodies-against-delta-variant-study-shows

This might be why around 40% of Delta deaths in the UK are in the double vaccinated.

We need to know the vaccine breakdown for those deaths. If it's mostly AZ, people who've been given it need mRNA boosters (particularly those over 45 and/or with underlying conditions).

For Chilly

Note the use of the word might. Second word of my first paragraph.

I guess you can always pop to the shops when you can’t provide the data.

What a Wally.

You only used the word might after you had been called out 🤣.

What a Wally.

Personal attack on MN?

Or do you mean the wombat. Very cute (unlike some on here).

@Chillychangchoo

You only used the word might after you had been called out 🤣.

Nope. I regularly use it or phrase my wording as questions or speculations, when that's what they are.

Whilst I'm at the biscuit shop, I can pop into Specsavers to book you in if you like.

That would suit you down to ground wouldn’t it?

Deflects from you having to actually provide some evidence?

You know, of all the many who have died from covid after being double jabbed.

@IcedPurple

Biscuits. I don't need bread.

Biscuits aren't essential. It's incredibly selfish to leave the home for mere biscuits. Don't people know there's a pandemic out there and that looooooooong Covid is spread by irresponsible covidiots heading out for some Rich Tea? That wouldn't happen in Australia. Only in Britain which of course is the laughing stock of the world. It's deja vu. That's what I say.