Vaccine.. another sad story

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I've just read the below article, one little boy left without a mother and the poor father left alone to raise him.

There have been so many stories about this happening I don't know what to feel anymore.. I've been vaccinated myself but I can see why people are scared of the AZ.

It's rare yes but I don't think that would be very reassuring if someone I loved died... Is this the cost of protecting against covid?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9732583/Mother-three-47-dies-AstraZeneca-Covid-jab-caused-blood-clots-brain.html

@ZednotZee

I find it chilling that people are even considering vaccinating their children with any of the covid vaccines to be quite honest.

Especially if you have adolescent boys. This article in the BMJ should make you at least pause for thought before persuading them to be vaccinated.

www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1635

TheDailyCarbunkle

Everything you said is absolutely spot on and it scares me how blinkered people are.

For me I'm young and healthy and I might catch covid I might not and if I do and become seriously ill well thats just unfortunate and bad luck. However if I purposefully get a substance injected into my body that causes long term/short term issues or even death thats my fault and the blame lies on me. Id rather take my chances with the might or might not of covid rather than going out of my way to get an injection into my body that I don’t feel I need.

@TheVanguardSix I agree hence why I've been vaccinated

For me I'm young and healthy and I might catch covid I might not and if I do and become seriously ill well thats just unfortunate and bad luck. However if I purposefully get a substance injected into my body that causes long term/short term issues or even death thats my fault and the blame lies on me.

This is bizarre logic. If you choose not to be vaccinated and then die of COVID, that's not unfortunate and bad luck, it's a foreseeable possible consequence of your decision not to be vaccinated. Or if you like, the blame lies on you.

68 people have died of blood clots after having AZ, out of 45 million doses. The risk of dying from COVID is many, many times greater, even for young people.

And yet lots of kids in usa have been vaxxed and the only issue has been myocarditis. Which more would get from covid....... Plus affects more boys so atminimum girls could be vaxxed while we await more data.

Soon more kids will have had the vax than covid.

@Bovrilly I thought the same, we dont know the long term effects of covid either.
If I died from covid after declining the vaccine which could have prevented me from dying from it, that is stupid on my part

Bovrilly

It is unfortunate and bad luck dying from a disease that is an incredibly low risk for me.

But many medical interventions have had years of rigorous testing behind them, vaccines especially. That said, I do think, overwhelmingly, that we can trust the science and that the science will improve over time as we get to know the virus itself better

I agree @TheVanguardSix. I’m very pro-covid vaccine and have closely followed their development since the trials started because I truly believe they will be the path out of the current emergency situation.

I struggled to get my DF (CEV with mobility issues) a vaccine when he was first called due to physically getting him to a vaccination location. At the time it was only Pfizer so there were no alternatives and when AZ finally got going we managed to get him booked in. This was around the time the first concerns were raised and I seriously considered delaying on his behalf. He wanted to go ahead so did and was fine.

I understand hesitancy but I think there’s a difference between hesitancy and rejection. Hesitancy implies that an individual situation has considerations beyond those that already have an answer. Rejection implies that there is a blanket refusal to recognise the ratios of risk/benefit despite the evidence. The two are, unfortunately, very tangled up.

Justgettingbye

I wouldn’t purposefully catch covid but if I purposefully got the vaccine and became ill, to me thats more stupid. Its everyones personal risks and to me getting the vaccine feels like more of a risk than the possibility of catching covid. Baring in mind I worked through the height pandemic heavily pregnant on the frontline in healthcare so I just don't fear covid.

It is unfortunate and bad luck dying from a disease that is an incredibly low risk for me.

It wouldn't just be bad luck though, if you had chosen not to be vaccinated, it would be partly down to the choice you had made.

Plus it would be even more unfortunate and bad luck dying from a vaccine, because the risk to your health is much, much lower, whatever your age and health. I don't get why people are choosing the riskier path of avoiding vaccination, while also thinking they are making a sensible choice. Surely the sensible choice it to choose the option which is less likely to result in death?

Bovrilly

Its not death I fear, its more the long term effects which we just don't have the data for, so for me I’d rather take my chances and wait. Its my personal decision that won’t change.

I wouldn’t purposefully catch covid but if I purposefully got the vaccine and became ill, to me thats more stupid. Its everyones personal risks and to me getting the vaccine feels like more of a risk than the possibility of catching covid.

But if you refuse the vaccine you are purposefully increasing your chances of dying from COVID. And getting the vaccine might "feel" like more of a risk, but luckily you don't have to rely on feelings. This is easily measured and it's much less risky to have the vaccine than not to have it.

Also to add I’m breastfeeding my eight month old so another reason why I am declining.

The pertinent figures from the BMJ article above:
"1226 preliminary reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after about 300 million doses"
Pretty good odds tbf.
Plus the article goes on to say that in the UK:
"“The number of reports of myocarditis and pericarditis reported with the vaccines in the UK remains similar or below the expected background rate in different age groups within the general population and does not currently indicate an increased risk following vaccination against covid-19. We will continue to closely monitor these events reported in the UK and internationally.”

My sister in law is 28 and had a stroke from a blood clot. She hadn’t had the vaccine or covid. She was told it was from the pill.

similar or BELOW the expected rate

Nice try, Messiah, but you're going to have to read the articles more carefully if you're trying to prove a point.

@Cindy974

Bovrilly

Its not death I fear, its more the long term effects which we just don't have the data for, so for me I’d rather take my chances and wait. Its my personal decision that won’t change.

Long term side effects? So what you mean is you don’t understand how vaccines work and that’s what is causing you to delay getting it.

Its not death I fear, its more the long term effects which we just don't have the data for, so for me I’d rather take my chances and wait. Its my personal decision that won’t change.

I completely understand that you can choose to have or not have the vaccine, but again find this bizarre. You don't mind death, but are refusing a vaccine because of unknown long term effects which might not even materialise, in favour of a proven increased risk of a disease which has severe and well documented long term effects.

ForeverAintEnough3

But this vaccine is a completely different technology to “traditional” vaccines that we don't have the long term data for.

@Geamhradh

similar or BELOW the expected rate

Nice try, Messiah, but you're going to have to read the articles more carefully if you're trying to prove a point.

Yes, thank you for posting that reassuring article, Messiah.

@Cindy974 I don't fear covid either I've been pregnant and given birth during this pandemic and gone out to public places. I think there's an idea out there that people are getting vaccinated as we are all terrified, some will be, a lot aren't and are just doing what feels right to them. It's not just about catching it and surviving it it's about trying to reduce mutations/transmission. To me getting the vaccine that has been regulated and worked on by professionals in the field is the best option rather than risking it because I'm young and would probably be ok.

Ultimately each to their own and you make your own decision from your experiences

@Cindy974

ForeverAintEnough3

But this vaccine is a completely different technology to “traditional” vaccines that we don't have the long term data for.

Again you clearly don’t understand how vaccines work

Bovrilly

Im not guaranteed to catch covid so yes I’ll take my chances. As I said I worked through the height of the pandemic heavily pregnant in healthcare with absolutely no PPE, to tell you again I don’t fear covid, but I fear the vaccine which is completely okay.

I already had a one-in-a-million bad reaction to a medication. So I had the AZ vaccine quite a while ago, despite being under 40, because I'm vulnerable (the previous reaction left me with serious lifelong illness) & because TBH I thought I'd rather die of a blood clot than live with long covid in addition to everything else.

@Cindy974

ForeverAintEnough3

But this vaccine is a completely different technology to “traditional” vaccines that we don't have the long term data for.

If we're still talking about AstraZeneca, it's not new technology.