Vaccine.. another sad story

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I've just read the below article, one little boy left without a mother and the poor father left alone to raise him.

There have been so many stories about this happening I don't know what to feel anymore.. I've been vaccinated myself but I can see why people are scared of the AZ.

It's rare yes but I don't think that would be very reassuring if someone I loved died... Is this the cost of protecting against covid?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9732583/Mother-three-47-dies-AstraZeneca-Covid-jab-caused-blood-clots-brain.html

Sorry I see he has been mentioned. So many comments on the story I read about people bring left with awful side effects weeks after the vaccine. This is being under reported. It’s a disgrace. People deserve the full facts before they make a decision.

It is absolutely tragic but these things are extremely rare. That’s why they make the news. There are risks with all vaccines, and all medicines. Even paracetamol has risks.

What we will never know is if some of the people who might (or might not) have got these extremely rare autoimmune condition might well have got Cytokine Storm if they contracted corona virus
Both are autoimmune conditions caused by the body's over reaction to an infection

Sadly people do develop a lot of autoimmune conditions (some of which are or can be life threatening) such as type 1 Diabetes ITP Lupus Rheumatoid Arthritis

www.healthline.com/health/autoimmune-disorders#common-autoimmune-diseases

I posted this link on another thread, but it's very clear that vaccine is working and help us get out of this mess soon.
COVID Symptom Study: Estimated Active Cases Per 100,000 by age in June

I can't really blame them, it's simple human nature to be afraid even if the risk is low.

Simple human nature is to be utterly shit at risk analysis. I studied it and people are really terrible at it. What we should do is teach is much better but politicians love stupid people because it helps them do what they like so they dumb down education. Unfortunately when you need people to understand statistics, like in the middle of a global pandemic, they don't.

I like this. Explains relative risk. There is swearing.

WineGetsMeThroughIt

The article was published before the cause of death was confirmed

5 people are killed on our roads every day in the UK. We are so immune to it because it's such a regular dreadful thing.

@Cindy974

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-husband-child-psychologist-died-19774223.amp

Another one here lost to AZ, his wife was at the freedom March at the weekend sharing his story.

So very tragic

at no point does it mention the vaccine was related to his death, or indeed that he has even been vaccinated

@Cindy974 where does it say he had AZ? He was 32 so unlikely.

ollyollyoxenfree

So his grieving wife is lying then? Oh sorry I forgot because the news doesn’t report something it must not be true

@Cindy974

ollyollyoxenfree

So his grieving wife is lying then? Oh sorry I forgot because the news doesn’t report something it must not be true

I'm not accusing anyone of lying

you posted an article saying this man died because he had a blood clot caused by the AZ vaccine

the article mentions nothing regarding him being vaccinated, hence why I asked

@Cindy974 but where is the wife saying that? And is she a doctor? If not, how does she know?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/money/wife-man-who-died-astrazeneca-24313355.amp

There you go, happy now?

@Cindy974

WineGetsMeThroughIt

The article was published before the cause of death was confirmed

So how do we know the cause of death is AZ?

I'm by no means saying it wasn't. But I do know others on here will be wondering. And if it is confirmed vaccine related then why is it not publicised so? Are they trying to hide that?

It's very sad, but these stories only make the news because it's so rare for it to happen. People do occasionally have reactions to vaccinations, but you're noticing these ones because the media need to keep up the scaremongering to make money. Most reactions to vaccinations wouldn't be reported and you'd be none the wiser.

@Cindy974

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/money/wife-man-who-died-astrazeneca-24313355.amp

There you go, happy now?

I don't understand the tone?

If I post a statement which needs backing up, I post a relevant article that people can refer to. Your original source said nothing about vaccination which is why you got a load of replies questioning it.

There's so much misinformation flying around I think it's important to do that

@Cindy974 no point getting stroppy when your initial evidence has literally no evidence of the claim you’re making.

Sorry but it annoys me when someone mentions someone has died of covid nobody questions it but when its a vaccine related death people want every last morsel of information

Agree with the PP. ive you're going to share an article and claim the person died due to the AZ vaccine then you need to share a relevant article that backs that up. There is so much misinformation about the vaccines people need actual facts. You should have shared the second article, but the first

The headline in the link makes me sit up as I am 47 with 3 children and yes to the pp who mentioned it, they are young! I also had my second AZ yesterday.

Terrible for the individuals, but I thought it was worth the risk and I'm glad many others feel the same.

@Cindy974

WineGetsMeThroughIt

The article was published before the cause of death was confirmed

Cause of death is one thing. That that cause was itself caused by a vaccine is another. I can't find anything saying his condition was caused by the vaccine, do you have a link?

@Cindy974 because hundreds of thousands have died from covid and only double figures from a blood clot?

Plus, you didn’t supply no evidence, you supplied evidence which seemed to directly refute your claim.

@BountyIsUnderrated
Surely we could do better, why are we using a potentially dangerous vaccine and not focusing our efforts on creating more safer vaccines/alternatives? Unless pfizer also causes blood clots

Yes Pfizer causes blood clots, as does Johnson, Moderna I am not sure about. There is also evidence now that Pfizer causes inflammation if the heart in some

I agree it’s sad, but at the same time what’s the answer? All vaccines have side effects. These are new ones, we don’t know everything about them, including how long they last for . Do we now say no vaccines for anyone as they all have severe side effects for a few?

The fact remains the vaccines are required to stop Covid as far as possible, some may have strong reactions to them, but that’s no reason to stop giving them, it’s up to everyone to make their own mind up

Well you all have the evidence now so sorted

When these 'incredibly rare' fatal blood clots linked to AZ have happened in other countries, their governments have immediately taken action and restricted AZ to over 55s or over 60s.

I don't understand why the UK government is so different in this regard and happy to carry on at 68 deaths when there is an available alternative.