Vaccine.. another sad story

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I've just read the below article, one little boy left without a mother and the poor father left alone to raise him.

There have been so many stories about this happening I don't know what to feel anymore.. I've been vaccinated myself but I can see why people are scared of the AZ.

It's rare yes but I don't think that would be very reassuring if someone I loved died... Is this the cost of protecting against covid?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9732583/Mother-three-47-dies-AstraZeneca-Covid-jab-caused-blood-clots-brain.html

Extremely sad but I’m sure someone will swiftly pop along to reassure you it’s inconsequential, risk is low etc etc.

There’s stories behind these statistics, not all have happy endings.

I had my second AZ last week, knowing that this could happen. It’s very upsetting seeing stories like this and it took me a long time to decide what to do.
It’s scary. The thing that reassured me was that the vast majority don’t have problems and while choosing to be vaccinated, I’m hopefully helping everyone else, if it lowers the risk of me passing it on. It’s also useful that we know what to look out for and you know what to do if you have these symptoms. Most blood clots are caught before it’s too late. (As I read on the yellow card info)
It is very unsettling to see these stories though, I agree

I see though at 47she still would get AZ now. Hopefully longer term it can be restricted to 60+
As aside from anything else at least usually wont ave young kids

It is very sad.
But 58 deaths out of 25 million isn't "so many". It's no more common than people in any specific year who would, out of the blue, develop and die from blood clots.

I've had double AZ, but had had both before the scare over clotting. Would I have been quite so blasé now? Probably not. Would I want close family members having it? Probably not.

But the absolute scientific fact remains that dying from a blood clot in the period following the vaccine is a) literally one in a million b) hard to prove the correlation between clot and AZ (or indeed other vaccines- let's not forget more people have died after Pfizer worldwide than AZ) would she have developed a blood clot anyway? Nobody will ever know.

You are NOT allowed to die from covid.

So it’s ok, it’s just collateral damage.

For the greater good and all

Well, that’s what MN seems to believe

I'm in my mid-40s and had my second AZ today. I'm certainly not oblivious to the side effects but would still rather have the jab than not.

Is this the cost of protecting against covid?

What do you think the cost of not protecting against covid would be?

I really don't understand what the point you're trying to make is, that we'd be better off without the vaccine?

These are the up to date figures for VITT with a proven link to the AZ vaccine. Given that it's highest in 40-59 I'm not sure why the government is still giving this age group AZ.

AZ doesn't have approval in USA, NZ not using at all and Aust withdrawing it completely by Oct. All other European countries are restricting it to over 55s or over 60s based on similar or smaller figures for blood clots.

If there was no alternative then the risk would absolutely be worth it for most, but as there is an alternative without this risk it seems unfair that the government and JCVI are having 40-60 year olds continue to take this very real risk.

There's still no provision for women that have had one AZ and don't want to risk the second. If the government wants to get as many people double vaccinated, they need to work out a policy on this.

Meanwhile several thousand mothers of 3 were celebrating waking up to another day with their children thanks to NOT dying from covid due to their vaccination.

@justwanttodanceagain Your comment is disgraceful, Lucy Taberer was a real person, her death leaves children without a mother, friends and family without their loved one. She was 47, several thousand 47 year old mothers have not died of covid, so your nasty remark doesn't even have a basis in fact.

You should be pretty ashamed of yourself.

Well said @Actualfactual. It’ll be interesting to see what happens with AZ in the UK once everyone’s been offered two doses and when the cases are lower. They can’t justify using AZ for the younger age groups then.

@myfuckingfreezer

I'm not saying we'd be better off without the vaccine, I just think it's sad that these cases are always "just a statistic"

Surely we could do better, why are we using a potentially dangerous vaccine and not focusing our efforts on creating more safer vaccines/alternatives? Unless pfizer also causes blood clots.

@Orf1abc

Meanwhile several thousand mothers of 3 were celebrating waking up to another day with their children thanks to NOT dying from covid due to their vaccination.

@justwanttodanceagain Your comment is disgraceful, Lucy Taberer was a real person, her death leaves children without a mother, friends and family without their loved one. She was 47, several thousand 47 year old mothers have not died of covid, so your nasty remark doesn't even have a basis in fact.

You should be pretty ashamed of yourself.

1 out of 800 45 year olds who contract Covid die from it, statistically. So, worldwide, it's probably safe to say that it's a lot more than several thousand.

I'm almost 47 and a mother of 7.

I refused to get AZ because I was scared of what happened to this poor woman happening to me.
our area has had a zero new cases status for a long time so I had the luxury of waiting until Pfizer was available.

I feel so sorry for her family

I'm not saying we'd be better off without the vaccine, I just think it's sad that these cases are always "just a statistic"

Public health is based on statistics. It deals with tragedies constantly but when decisions have to be made, they are made with cold, hard statistics because emotion is a a very poor risk assessor.

Of course we all want zero risk, but anything with effects has side effects and in this case those are dreadful.

@MrsTerryPratchett

But that's not my point, my point is if other vaccines have proven to show less risk of blood clots than AZ, why are we still using AZ?

Surely if statistics are showing a correlation between AZ and the incidence of blood clots of varying age groups we should be using alternatives?

But that's not my point, my point is if other vaccines have proven to show less risk of blood clots than AZ, why are we still using AZ?

Because some mathematician somewhere has done maths and worked out the risk of waiting for a 'better' vaccine is worse than the risk from AZ. It will be as simple as that. Other countries have much lower cases and have made the opposite decision because waiting is less risky when you have lower case numbers.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-husband-child-psychologist-died-19774223.amp

Another one here lost to AZ, his wife was at the freedom March at the weekend sharing his story.

So very tragic

people die all the time from all sorts of things. there is nothing - not even going to sleep at ight that is completely risk free! i expect more than 58 people have died from a car accident within the week following thier vaccine but people still get into cars and drive.
more than 58 women have probably died from blood clots from the contraceptive pill but millions still take it.
do you regularly take painkillers? read the label - side effects of that can be fatal yet you probably pop a couple with no second thought when you have a headache!
All medicine comes with a side effect but its still better than actually getting the disease.

I read yesterday about a 48 year old man who died of a brain bleed after the vaccine. These are just the ones we know about.

@Cindy974

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-husband-child-psychologist-died-19774223.amp

Another one here lost to AZ, his wife was at the freedom March at the weekend sharing his story.

So very tragic

Did I completely miss the part in the article where it mentioned anything about the vaccine??

It is sad. But since it's a rare immune reaction, and way more people get blood clots from covid, she was more likely to get blood clot from covid if she wasn't vaxxed?

@MrsTerryPratchett

Well in that case critics will have to accept that not everyone will want AZ and will wait for an alternative.
I can't really blame them, it's simple human nature to be afraid even if the risk is low.