Vaccine.. another sad story

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I've just read the below article, one little boy left without a mother and the poor father left alone to raise him.

There have been so many stories about this happening I don't know what to feel anymore.. I've been vaccinated myself but I can see why people are scared of the AZ.

It's rare yes but I don't think that would be very reassuring if someone I loved died... Is this the cost of protecting against covid?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9732583/Mother-three-47-dies-AstraZeneca-Covid-jab-caused-blood-clots-brain.html

@Bovrilly

there's a difference between being anti vaccine and wanting to talk about one vaccine in particular that has had a higher rate of deaths

All vaccines come with a very small risk of harm though.
When you say a higher rate of deaths, higher than what?

New = scary Old = safe

No matter what the actual numbers are. It's extremely well documented psychology. That's why gradual acclimatisation works for phobias. And why people in dangerous jobs become inured to risk.

Any medical intervention which has effects, has side effects. The problem is that people are vastly inflating the risk of the vaccine because it's new. We've become used to covid risks over the last 18 months.

Agreed Mrs P. And presumably it's familiarity with other vaccines that have caused harm that leads people to think they are safer than this one. Because nobody is anti-vax...

Its tragic BUT how many people on here keep sprouting off about it not nattering who dies of covid ? ? People die all the time etc etc, died with covid not of covid etc.
The same can be said of clot deaths after vaccinations its not known if she would have died of clot if not vaccinated, its not known if she dies with vaccination or of vaccination.

Other tibets not my family not my care.

Not my view but interesting how shallow amd uncaring it sounds when we use these terms about someone whis juat died

My view i feel very sad for the family x

The CDC seem marginally more upfront about the risks

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

But still the data is based on voluntary information in a climate of ‘silence the anti vaxxers’

"CDC recommends everyone ages 12 and older get vaccinated as soon as possible to help protect against COVID-19 and the related, potentially severe complications that can occur."

HTH.

@hamstersarse

The CDC seem marginally more upfront about the risks

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

But still the data is based on voluntary information in a climate of ‘silence the anti vaxxers’

But still the data is based on voluntary information in a climate of ‘silence the anti vaxxers’

@hamstersarse

Are you implying that people are being coerced into not reporting side effects? Because that seems patently untrue when the VAERS/yellow card system are being promoted everywhere including by MSM, and HCPs & regulatory bodies are actively encouraging people to report any side effects

Not my view but interesting how shallow amd uncaring it sounds when we use these terms about someone whis juat died

@Covidworries entirely agree. Some posters would do well just to take a moment and think how they would feel if it was their loved one instead of talking about them as statistics.

It reminds me of people who can only eat chicken nuggets and not chicken wings because they have to disconnect from what they're eating. It's disrespectful.

@hamstersarse

The CDC seem marginally more upfront about the risks

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

But still the data is based on voluntary information in a climate of ‘silence the anti vaxxers’

Well, that’s a big pile of shite. I’m hearing one hell of a lot from anti-vaxxers. Where is this climate where they are made to feel too timid to speak?! Besides which, you can’t yellow card adverse side-effects if you are an anti-vaxxer, as you have to have been vaccinated to report real side effects. And social media campaigns to encourage other people to report, eg, menstrual disturbances through the yellow card scheme seem to have been quite successful.

Besides which, you can’t yellow card adverse side-effects if you are an anti-vaxxer, as you have to have been vaccinated to report real side effects

That made me properly laugh, thanks!

I feel for every family who have suffered through this .

But I know a young man whose fiancé died of a blood clot after a flight , he never really got over it . She counted too .

Also I have read of Guillian barre syndrome happening after the vaccine , which also can be life threatening / changing . My dad had that years ago and was paralysed, turned out he got it after having a virus .

Everyone matters . It’s hard .

Some posters would do well just to take a moment and think how they would feel if it was their loved one instead of talking about them as statistics.

Some posters would do well to understand that a proper use of statistics saves lives. They might be cold and uncaring but I'd rather have facts than feelings run public health forward.

All deaths are a tragedy but vaccine deaths aren't sadder than COVID deaths, of which there would be many more without the vaccine.

@MrsTerryPratchett

Also blood clot risks don’t stop people taking the pill or flying do they ?

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Also blood clot risks don’t stop people taking the pill or flying do they ?[/quote]
Actually I'm fairly sure they do for some people.

All deaths are a tragedy but vaccine deaths aren't sadder than COVID deaths

In your opinion. I think when it's a young healthy mother who wouldn't have died from covid, leaving behind young children it is more tragic. I'm sure you'll come back with 'but long covid'. In the future we'll all have long covid or bloody 'long vaccine'.

@roguetomato

It is sad. But since it's a rare immune reaction, and way more people get blood clots from covid, she was more likely to get blood clot from covid if she wasn't vaxxed?

Yes. But that doesn't matter to people who'd rather spread the story that it's the vaccines that are the problem.

@PoseyFlump

All deaths are a tragedy but vaccine deaths aren't sadder than COVID deaths

In your opinion. I think when it's a young healthy mother who wouldn't have died from covid, leaving behind young children it is more tragic. I'm sure you'll come back with 'but long covid'. In the future we'll all have long covid or bloody 'long vaccine'.

The point is that without any vaccines, more 'healthy mothers' would have died from covid. Yes, most 47 year olds would be fine with covid, just as most are fine with the vaccine. However, her personal risk from covid was still higher.

That's not the case for younger people, which is why I'd never support AZ for my kids, for example. But over 40 and with rates the way they are, people are still better off vaccinating.

I don't live in the UK. After initially using the AZ. My country banned the use in under 55s I'm glad tbh. I have no idea why the UK was one of very few countries that allowed its use in younger people despite knowing the risks. There are other vaccines available.

@poseyflump

But the reality is we have no idea if this mum would have survived covid.
Stastistically, she was low risk of covid death but also low risk of vaccine death.

Covid increases the risk of clots too so it is entirely possible that she would have does from covid too.

Regardless it is a awful for the family.

Thats the think with covid no one can be sure how their body will react. In the last 2 months 2 friends with young children have been in ICU very ill with Covid. One early 40s and other mid 30s the families in both cases were told it was touch and gohow it would progress. Fortunally both have now been discharged to recover at home.

That's not the case for younger people, which is why I'd never support AZ for my kids

@OverTheRubicon but that's exactly what I'm worried about. Some people are so super pro vaccine they can't see your logic because 'it saves lives'. I'm not convinced children should be vaccinated full stop. We could be making a terrible mistake.

My sister's MIL is currently in a coma with encephalitis caused by the AZ vaccine. All other potential causes have been rules out and this is the working diagnosis the ICU doctors are currently going with. Very poor prognosis. Horrific.

Is AZ the vaccine that is approved for use in children? I thought it was Pfizer

@Iggi999

Is AZ the vaccine that is approved for use in children? I thought it was Pfizer

Its the pfizer that is approved for children.

Thank you. Wondered why there was a comment about not giving AZ to our kids, I didn't think it would be offered to them!

There is a research paper out just recently about Thrombocytopenia and aspiration of the needle at injection sight.
They believe there is a link between the way people are injected. The injection [if not aspirated - pulled back before injection] should be injected only into the muscle. Instead of going into the muscle, it goes into the muscle and into a vein, which it isnt supposed to do causing the problem of clots. It is very interesting. The thing is, because we are all different, we have no idea if there is a vein in the muscle or not or if the veins are closer to the surface. If the syringe is aspirated it means that if it hits a vein, the person doing the jab would know as blood would appear in the syringe. If they don't do this, they have no way of knowing if it hits a vein. If the vaccine goes into the vein, It can lead to low platelets that cause the clots.
Dr John Cambell on you tube explains this research [ yesterdays video] Very interesting.