Vaccine.. another sad story

[BountyIsUnderrated]

I've just read the below article, one little boy left without a mother and the poor father left alone to raise him.

There have been so many stories about this happening I don't know what to feel anymore.. I've been vaccinated myself but I can see why people are scared of the AZ.

It's rare yes but I don't think that would be very reassuring if someone I loved died... Is this the cost of protecting against covid?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9732583/Mother-three-47-dies-AstraZeneca-Covid-jab-caused-blood-clots-brain.html

@roguetomato

It is sad. But since it's a rare immune reaction, and way more people get blood clots from covid, she was more likely to get blood clot from covid if she wasn't vaxxed?

Agreed. Of course this is an unimaginable tragedy for this family, But it does need to be put into a wider perspective.

In addition not many long haul flights have been happening for a while so I wonder how many dvt thrombosis deaths have been avoided . Ditto thrombosis following operations.

@Notthemessiah

Would you tell someone with a fear of spiders, or heights, or confined spaces just to 'get over it' and put the tarantula on your hand\look over the edge\crawl into the tunnel? Or would you actually have some empathy for people with those kind of fears? Why don't we get the same?

Because there’s no consequence for anyone else with those fears. If the cure for covid was sitting in a box or holding a tarantula you would see the same lack of empathy.

Rightly or wrongly people see vaccines as a way out of restrictions, isolations and lock downs. That’s what they’re taking the vaccine for rather than a fear of contracting covid itself so it follows that anyone declining it is standing in the way of that rather than actual concern about the damage the virus can do. It’s much easier to throw a few sound bites about rather than try and explain that though.

People (pretty much everyone) has been traumatised by the past eighteen months in some respect, what you’re experiencing is peoples patience running out.

It isn’t their place to do it but you do share a mindset just focussing on different things. Personally, given the current take up I don’t think it makes much difference if some people hesitate or refuse altogether but I can’t hand on heart say that if it does start to impact in ways that directly affect me I won’t be susceptible to that same frustration.

@Cindy974

Sorry but it annoys me when someone mentions someone has died of covid nobody questions it but when its a vaccine related death people want every last morsel of information

@Cindy974

Have you been living under a rock? So many deaths have been questioned on MN by people asking if the person died “of covid or with covid”. Many of the deaths of younger people received responses of “oh but they had underlying health conditions”.

It’s not acceptable on any level.

That poor woman could have just as easily died of a covid related clot

Which you may not get. You dont book an appointment or rock up at a walk in to get Covid do you.

@MercyBooth

That poor woman could have just as easily died of a covid related clot

Which you may not get. You dont book an appointment or rock up at a walk in to get Covid do you.

It was nobody’s fault! It’s a tragedy.

@TheVanguardSix Im so sorry for your loss.

@Turquoisesea Is she getting full sick pay?

[quote Cornettoninja]@Notthemessiah

Would you tell someone with a fear of spiders, or heights, or confined spaces just to 'get over it' and put the tarantula on your hand\look over the edge\crawl into the tunnel? Or would you actually have some empathy for people with those kind of fears? Why don't we get the same?

Because there’s no consequence for anyone else with those fears. If the cure for covid was sitting in a box or holding a tarantula you would see the same lack of empathy.

Rightly or wrongly people see vaccines as a way out of restrictions, isolations and lock downs. That’s what they’re taking the vaccine for rather than a fear of contracting covid itself so it follows that anyone declining it is standing in the way of that rather than actual concern about the damage the virus can do. It’s much easier to throw a few sound bites about rather than try and explain that though.

People (pretty much everyone) has been traumatised by the past eighteen months in some respect, what you’re experiencing is peoples patience running out.

It isn’t their place to do it but you do share a mindset just focussing on different things. Personally, given the current take up I don’t think it makes much difference if some people hesitate or refuse altogether but I can’t hand on heart say that if it does start to impact in ways that directly affect me I won’t be susceptible to that same frustration.[/quote]
I appreciate the honesty. I think most people who rail at anyone not running out and getting the jab feel the same but will never admit that they want others to be vaccinated not because they care about them, but because they care about themselves.

Ironically, its these kind of people who accuse those who are hesitant about having the vaccine of being selfish.

@MercyBooth

That poor woman could have just as easily died of a covid related clot

Which you may not get. You dont book an appointment or rock up at a walk in to get Covid do you.

People still haven’t grasped the statistics of needing to catch covid first before you can have any possible ill effects from it

@MercyBooth

That poor woman could have just as easily died of a covid related clot

Which you may not get. You dont book an appointment or rock up at a walk in to get Covid do you.

Of course you may not get it, but, rationally, it is all about the risk .

Looking at the qcovid risk calculator, I worked out that my risk of both getting COVID and subsequently ending up in hospital, at my age and with only one jab was about 1 in 7,000 if levels were to get to the same as they were at the peak of the last wave. My chances of getting a blood clot from the second AZ jab is about 1 in 500,000.

This is what I will be repeating as a mantra when I go the vaccination appointment tomorrow!

It's not just rare @BountyIsUnderrated it's extremely rare. What do you suggest then lock down and no vaccine in case in a very very tiny number of very rare cases someone has a reaction? This poor individual might have died from covid if caught it. The full details of health isn't disclosed either. There could be a range of comorbidities and other issues but we don't know that on here.

Millions and millions and millions of people have had the vaccine and it's the only way out of the pandemic.

It’s so sad isn’t it? To be that “statistic”. I’m day 15 post AZ and I’m 32 with three kids. It’s frightening.

I hope she rests in peace 💐.

We wouldn’t be having sad vaccine stories were it not for the existence of covid 19. We only have to look at the experience of India to know that without the percentage of people already having been vaccinated in the UK with any available vaccine going, we would have a very frightening death rate by now. I chose to take the tiny risk of a fatal outcome from the AZ vaccine because I consider the risk presented by Boris Johnson’s inability to make sensible decisions in a timely manner to be far greater, so better to protect myself from his incompetence sooner rather than later! There simply were not enough available doses of Pfizer and Moderna to offer them to all people quickly enough.

It’s so sad when someone dies but I can’t deal with this scaremongering. If someone doesn’t want to get the vaccine that’s fair enough but to put things in someone’s head to put them off something that could potentially save their life is really bad.

How many teens die from having the HPV vaccine? Why are there not threads about it? It’s because the sad fact is that people die every day. Many, many die from vaccines and medical procedures.

1 in 4 people die from causes related to blood clots. Chances are these people would have died from a blood clot regardless of whether they had the vaccine or not.

Frankly I don't think anyone should have to accept AZ if they don't want it. There are other effective vaccines with less risk. This isn't about being vaccinated or not, it is about moving away from a vaccine that has serious catastrophic side effects (and we don't fully know if indeed older people are less prone to clots - frankly they weren't being monitored and a lot of older people automatically got Pfizer)

It seems that people's lives are expendable if they die from side effects from the covid vaccine. This is unacceptable.

People are very quick to dismiss any concerns about a vaccine - but I see it that we willingly get injected with something that we may react badly to when the alternative may not be that much worse. And we can take precautions to minimise our exposure to covid. Taking a vaccine - there’s nothing you can do to minimise any bad reaction. It’s out of your control completely.

Ironically, its these kind of people who accuse those who are hesitant about having the vaccine of being selfish

I don’t think I’ve met anyone whose opinion on anything was ultimately founded on the direct consequence to them. We’re all selfish when you get to the bottom of any of the reasons we do anything. The world would probably be a nicer place if we didn’t get so wedded to the altruistic side effects to justify our decisions to other people. 🤷‍♀️

But this is why we elect leaders and consult experts. They consciously have to (or at least should) put aside their personal opinion/emotions and facilitate an educated decision that benefits the most and harms the fewest. It harms us to have a populist party in power because the populist decision doesn’t always adhere to the above equation.

Hope your vaccination is completely uneventful @Notthemessiah.

@Ostryga

It’s stories like this that put me off the vaccine. I’m 32 so not massively at risk of covid, although an about to start immune-suppressants for psoriasis so am slightly more worried now.

at 32 you won't get AZ

I read this thread and the (from some) opprobrium poured on AZ. And I watch the crowd at Wimbledon giving a standing ovation when it is announced that vaccine developers were present (Sarah Gilbert was there).

And my head hurts.

Zero point to posting this.

@sparemonitor

Unless you’re a frontline keyworker who was refused an alternative jab for the second vaccine. I’m 32 and had the pleasure of taking the risk with AZ. Admittedly unknowingly back in March.

It's sad but I am just wondering why they are publishing this now? It happened in March/April?
Most people are now aware of the jab's contraindications. I find it weird to be publicising this now.
Just fearmongering imo.

@Cornettoninja

Ironically, its these kind of people who accuse those who are hesitant about having the vaccine of being selfish

I don’t think I’ve met anyone whose opinion on anything was ultimately founded on the direct consequence to them. We’re all selfish when you get to the bottom of any of the reasons we do anything. The world would probably be a nicer place if we didn’t get so wedded to the altruistic side effects to justify our decisions to other people. 🤷‍♀️

But this is why we elect leaders and consult experts. They consciously have to (or at least should) put aside their personal opinion/emotions and facilitate an educated decision that benefits the most and harms the fewest. It harms us to have a populist party in power because the populist decision doesn’t always adhere to the above equation.

Hope your vaccination is completely uneventful @Notthemessiah.

Thank you. It's going to be a stressful few weeks, but at least I'll be free of the shall I \ shan't I stress that I've had for the past month, regardless of what happens.

[quote Chillychangchoo]@sparemonitor

Unless you’re a frontline keyworker who was refused an alternative jab for the second vaccine. I’m 32 and had the pleasure of taking the risk with AZ. Admittedly unknowingly back in March.[/quote]
the rules now are no AZ under 40 for a first dose. risk is tiny for 2nd dose

@neveradullmoment99

It's sad but I am just wondering why they are publishing this now? It happened in March/April? Most people are now aware of the jab's contraindications. I find it weird to be publicising this now. Just fearmongering imo.

Agreed. Having the facts is vital and nothing should ever be covered up or downplayed, but this kind of reporting does nothing for anyone other than scaring people who are already scared enough, thanks very much.

Not a criticism of OP though - just the Mail.

@NotSoLongGoodbye

Frankly I don't think anyone should have to accept AZ if they don't want it. There are other effective vaccines with less risk. This isn't about being vaccinated or not, it is about moving away from a vaccine that has serious catastrophic side effects (and we don't fully know if indeed older people are less prone to clots - frankly they weren't being monitored and a lot of older people automatically got Pfizer)

It seems that people's lives are expendable if they die from side effects from the covid vaccine. This is unacceptable.

All the vaccines have side effects. Painkillers have the samerisk or thrombosytopenia if you read it. [sorrya about spelling] Both the Pfizer and Moderna have clots and a thing called myocarditis. So either take the risk of any vaccine or the risk of catching covid [very likely as they open things up]