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I saw that Guardian article which is quite helpful. But seems to grind to a very sudden halt!

Ok so a fairly high % but of a much lower amount of people..

It would be really useful to know more details on the double vaccinated deaths - this is really where with covid or of covid, and general health would be useful. Did these people have a 10 year life expectancy or a 3 month life expectancy, it would be useful info both of those so we could judge how relevant the vaccine failure was.

Yes fred, we really need more info there.

Very true @sirfredfredgeorge

I don't think that is appropriate though @sirfredfredgeorge these are peoples personal health details that I am not sure should be made public. The risk levels attached to each age are still there even with double vaccinated and nothing is perfect.

I have said on another thread that if we are getting to the point of having to learn to live with it then we are going to have to cope with some uncertainty and I think this maybe it. Otherwise with the number of deaths we have it is I think becoming too intrusive

We do not need that info

That’s what our government and scientists are for 🤣🙈

All say the link is broken

They actually don't say exactly that but hey ho.

Yes @Quartz2208 we live with the flu that kills every year.
There will always be deaths but you can't live worrying about it all when the risk is pretty low.

@Watapalava

We do not need that info

That’s what our government and scientists are for 🤣🙈

All say the link is broken

You seem very keen to dismiss any discussion around this.

In fact, reading most of your posts you have a penchant for dismissing genuine concerns altogether.

I agree it is difficult to give out too much information whilst respecting their privacy. It would be interesting to know more about whether they were directly ill with Covid though or tested positive whilst going into hospital for another condition.

The data attempts to split out hospitalisations on this basis by looking at whether or not the positive Covid test was the same day as the admission. For overnight stays for double vaccinated over 50s, there were 163 cases, of which 63 did not have the positive Covid test the same day (so can be assumed purely Covid related)

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/997418/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf Table 4

They’re not genuine concerns

They are paranoia and anxiety at best

I’m not dismissing but they are not based on data or facts

That’s what our government and scientists are for

It is the job of both to act in public, with published information, secrets are not the way to provide this - if the deaths are low enough that the information is identifiable to individuals then deaths are so low as to be irrelevant entirely and we don't need to discuss it - however they're not, so the information should be there.

There's a lot of private information being forced into the public sphere - people are often demanding to know your vaccination status, why you aren't wearing a mask, proof of medical tests etc. Not all privacy survives the public interest of a pandemic.

Too many people do not trust the government, or their scientists, which is why information needs to be available so other scientists can evaluate it. I've probably been one of the most "we need to live with it" and wanting least restrictions of people on this thread, but we do need data to support that position.

The data attempts to split out hospitalisations on this basis by looking at whether or not the positive Covid test was the same day as the admission

There's something odd about that data "not the same day" and the implication that the +ve test was BEFORE seeking medical treatment, but we know quite a lot of people catch covid in hospital (varied at different times and hospitals but 20-30% is not unusual) and they wouldn't have tested +ve same day as admission. Now that may be fine, those cases may be simply excluded entirely (ie it's only counting people arriving at emergency care)

But the deaths appear to be all deaths, and it seems unlikely that no-one who caught it in hospital died given their already higher risk of death.

Yes that is also true, you maybe need the data split in three, already positive before attending hospital, tested positive on admission for something else, and negative on admission then went on to catch Covid in hospital. Of course it is then even more complicated, as in some cases the positive Covid test may be completely coincidental and not have contributed to their prognosis, in others it may have not been the reason for admission but worsened their condition, and some the sole cause.

I think it is reasonable to assume though that not all the 50 double vaccinated who have died were in hospital purely due to Covid.

@Watapalava

They’re not genuine concerns

They are paranoia and anxiety at best

I’m not dismissing but they are not based on data or facts

Most posters on this thread are moderate in their views and back them up civilly and with data.

That’s why the threads are so popular and useful, no wild swings of ‘we’re all going to die!’ or ‘everything is FINE’.

@Quartz2208

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

Most of the deaths pre vaccination occurred in the over 60s because the risk level is much lower.

Vaccinations arent going to change this so the majority of deaths will still be in that age range and in the vaccinated. But just at a much lower level

He fails to make the obvious point really.

The only comparison to be made is the difference in outcome for a vaccinated person versus an unvaccinated person, AND the proportion of that population from where those deaths came from that were vaccinated and unvaccinated.

If this is 95:5 (v:uv) in the over 50’s age range, then if 20 vaccinated people die, and the vaccine was offering no better protection, then 1 unvaccinated person would die.

Or if it was 99:1 in the over 85s, for every 99 vaccinated people that die, only 1 unvaccinated person would die (if vaccine offered no protection).

The reality is miles from this.

Sorry not miles, light years.

Split it into four - you also need those who arrive at hospital because of Covid but haven’t taken a test yet (or perhaps got a false negative PCR

The note seems to suggest any test on the same day as admission is not caused by covid: unwell before or caught in hospital later are both included, other cases are to be considered incidental. (Also suggests they think everyone unwell with covid is being tested in advance, which is a positive slant.)
"Cases where specimen date is the same as date of Emergency Care visit are excluded to help remove cases picked up via routine testing in healthcare settings
whose primary cause of attendance is not COVID-19. This underestimates the number of individuals in hospital with COVID-19 but only includes those who tested
positive prior to the day of their Emergency Care visit. Some of the cases detected on the day of admission may have attended for a diagnosis unrelated to COVID-
19."

Just to pick out some key numbers and ignoring all the part jabbed as that adds confusion. A&E trips of double jabbed + 21 days; 190 (54.6%) were there due to covid and 158 for other reasons. Unvaccinated had 1571 (69.9%) there due to covid and 677 for other reasons.
So, reasons for admission prove very important to understand the statistics; that means they are also important for deaths analysis.

I think there could be some mileage in publishing the median life expectancy (apart from Covid) of those now dying with Covid.
This would give some indication of how frail those individuals were without lots of personal details.

Great idea but does that data exist, even at individual level? Patients (non-Covid) aren’t given a recorded prognosis, are they?

That gives me visions of a doctor scribbling 49 years 3 months into my maternity notes... So no, I don't think that expected lifespan commonly exists as a field in medical notes.

It would be useful for a research study where the researchers are allowed to gather all relevant data and then present back whatever's relevant. E.g. 15% were receiving end of life care, 5% had controlled conditions but were on immunosuppressive drugs etc.

Follow up from the graph set shown in each of the past couple of weeks. Same starting point early Sep 2020 and May 24th this year - picked as having almost identical 7 day case average start points; obviously not quite the same testing regime at play, and primarily original Covid, as opposed to Delta or indeed Alpha variants.

As before this starts with a graph set tracking seven day averages for Cases ; Hospital Admissions; Number in Hospital ; and Deaths (within 28 days........)

To follow will be the rates per 100,000 by five year age bands.