All restrictions removed on the 19th July

[Baileysforchristmas]

Do you think this will happen? I hope so.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9714743/England-lift-Covid-rules-masks-social-distancing-work-home-July-19.html

@Baileysforchristmas

I call it house arrest under another name. Would you ever have thought back in 2019 250k children would have to stay at home while adults are allowed to go about their day with no questions asked?

That's a bit of a silly comparison. You need to compare the number of children self isolating against the number of adults self isolating, not against the number not isolating. The same comparison would be 250k children isolating and £4m other children going about their business as normal (total guess at these figures). You lose credibility of what could be an interesting debate when you draw inaccurate or sensationalist conclusions.

We will probably find out the week before

I can understand posters being cynical and scepticism abounds, but I for one, am
hopeful. Can’t wait to ditch the masks especially.
In a month’s time, if we’re in a really good place fingers crossed 🤞 It’ll a wonderful feeling of schadenfreude to witness the regular doom merchants on here. I anticipate a massive retraction of their gloomy predictions or alternatively a great deal of ‘whataboutery’

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay no I think we are pretty much at the point we are potentially screwed either way and it will come down to what the Government perceives the mood of the public and Parliament to be. Boris Johnson will be particularly aware of his back benchers - he may well be watertight to an election but he wont want upset in the ranks of the party. So far he has managed to get them all singing pretty much from the same page - that I think is waning now

The only thing I think that will stop it is a variant that shows massive vaccine escape of all vaccines.

What is interesting is the gentle introduction to the idea that it will be a COVID/FLU winter where we will have a double whammy of both

The original report came from the Politico London Playbook, found here...

www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/politico-london-playbook-scoop-step-4-impact-assessment-england-unmasked-happy-brexit-day/

The Telegraph report is based on this.

[quote Quartz2208]@RafaIsTheKingOfClay no I think we are pretty much at the point we are potentially screwed either way and it will come down to what the Government perceives the mood of the public and Parliament to be. Boris Johnson will be particularly aware of his back benchers - he may well be watertight to an election but he wont want upset in the ranks of the party. So far he has managed to get them all singing pretty much from the same page - that I think is waning now

The only thing I think that will stop it is a variant that shows massive vaccine escape of all vaccines.

What is interesting is the gentle introduction to the idea that it will be a COVID/FLU winter where we will have a double whammy of both[/quote]
You’d think they’d start making preparations now. I mean the nhs is usually under pressure during flu season. Let’s try to invest in staffing and get convalescent facilities up and running where people can go for recovery without taking up hospital beds.

I heard that the Southern Hemisphere (reports from South Africa and Australia) are suggesting a bad winter for RSV. Usually inconvenient rather than serious, it goes round primary schools most years (peak age to catch it is age 6-9ish) so they're getting 2 years worth of cases together IYSWIM

And then there is this in the media now, if this is the case then surely the football finals and semi finals at Wembley should be cancelled?

NHS bosses have sounded the alarm over the number of people on ventilators in hospital in the UK, which has risen over the past week. The deputy chief executive of NHS Providers, Saffron Cordery, said the number of Covid patients in hospital on ventilation beds had increased by 41% in the last week to 227
There will be a televised press conference at 5pm tonight in the UK from vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi.

Personally, I'd like to see face masks remain in public places e.g. shops, buses, hospitals, etc. Unless everyone is vaccinated, mixing with strangers will still be a risk (and might stop me from catching non-Covid bugs too)

I think having all those fans for the Euro final is madness.

I wonder if that is to announce over 16s to get it - it has been reported in the past couple of days.

Yes I think RSV is another thing that is troubling - particularly I think for the under 2s. CHris WHitty mentioned it as well

The only restriction that can be justified now is the travel one

@Workyticket that image really just sums it all up doesn’t it 😔

I think all will be on track until 11 July when the Euros final is played On 12 July when Boris announces the plans for 19 July, cases will have risen and alas we will have to delay opening up again while 2.5k UEFA officials/sponsors in a "bubble" fly home to their respective countries without any quarantine having taken place cos its football innit The rest of us will have to suck it up.

@BonnieDundee

I think all will be on track until 11 July when the Euros final is played On 12 July when Boris announces the plans for 19 July, cases will have risen and alas we will have to delay opening up again while 2.5k UEFA officials/sponsors in a "bubble" fly home to their respective countries without any quarantine having taken place cos its football innit The rest of us will have to suck it up.

I just said this to DH, that we would be opening up until after the Euros, then there would be a variant to worry about and another delay.

It’s almost like Lisbon having to reintroduce a small lockdown and travel restrictions a month after the champions league final might be some sort of a warning.

I’m not sure it’ll be our issue though. We’ve already spread the delta variant as far across the country as we could manage. The risk is much higher travelling the other way I’d have though.

Well hopefully the vip’s won’t want to come here or won’t be allowed to come here if Merkel has her way.

Baileys

Ventilations May have risen to 227 but they were 4000 at the peak

Current hospitalisations are 1/30th of the peak

Some perspective surely

The narrative has changed massively

We are defo going to open up

Even the media are now preparing people

I hope so, fingers crossed

Germany and France already have it - its grown from 5% to 10%. Landes (on the border with SPain) is its Bolton - 70% Delta and the only area growing at the moment. Germany has it too

US they think dominant strain within the next 2-3 weeks.

As long as the link between cases and hospitalisations continues to be broken by vaccinations I think it may well open ip

I felt that the tone in the briefing today was very much (other than saying ‘get the jab) saying these increases are nothing to worry about, vaccines have broken the link and we’re going to open up.

That was the feeling I got from it anyway. They were very dismissive of the increase in cases, saying it was just down to surge testing in Scotland and should go down tomorrow

They were very dismissive of the increase in cases, saying it was just down to surge testing in Scotland and should go down tomorrow

Their own data gives this the lie.

Number of tests up 7.4%
But number of positives is up 43.9%

That's a real increase, not an artefact of testing

@bumbleymummy Well I think whether it actually made a difference is important. If it didn’t, then what’s the point?

I agree.

I think it’s probably too soon to tell whether the response was adequate, time will tell.

This sub-thread started because I asked a PP to explain what she meant by variants being bollocks and you then asked me how we had responded to Delta. My (factual) reply to that does not constitute an endorsement of Government policy.

@SexTrainGlue interesting, is that cases up 7% just in Scotland or uk?

That kind of shows even more, that they’re trying to down play it all because they want to open up I guess.

@Watapalava

The narrative has changed massively

We are defo going to open up

Even the media are now preparing people

The narrative has had to change to placate the masses to accept the risk of the Euros, they can’t stand on a platform and say it’s bad we have to be careful etc etc and then let 180k fans waltz into Wembley over 3 matches. As pp said, once Euros is over, the narrative will switch, in fact I’d expect it to start switching during the games to cushion the blow.

Sugar shit sugar.