Just wondering if those that have refused to have the vaccine are now wishing they had?

[Lovemusic33]

There’s a lot of talk about vaccinated people not having to quarantine in the future making travel easier, the possibility of a vaccine passport to be able to go to events and travel.

I have several friends that have refused to have the vaccine due to conspiracy theories and ‘not knowing the risks’, if they had taken the first vaccine they would have had their 2nd by now and potentially be ok to travel in the coming weeks or attend events, there even talk of some jobs needing vaccination (care workers).

I’m just wondering if anyone regrets their choice not to vaccinate?

BTW, I am vaccinated but I’m not judging those who decided against it, just wondering if they have changed their minds?

@bumbleymummy

No . Excess deaths last time I checked we more than covid deaths.

See above links.

@Tiari I agree, if we took one aspect of the pro vaccine rhetoric (e.g the fact it’s heavily pushed by the government) and for e.g decided to call covid vaxers ‘pro dictatorship’ they’d hate it!
I am NOT anti vax, I am anti covid vaccine- for a Vader to admit this though, is to admit I am an educated critical thinker, with mind and body autonomy.. many vaxers don’t engage beyond calling us names (anti vaxer= spotty/fat, anyone?) and yet have the audacity to question our ability to independently and critically think !

[quote bumbleymummy]www.statista.com/statistics/1131428/excess-deaths-in-england-and-wales/

app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9[/quote]
crude analyses looking at raw excess mortality is not informative, this is one of the mistakes others have made

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799

@bumbleymummy

Our local hospital were doing lots of antibody tests on those that had covid and they confirmed it was totally unpredictable for those who would have antibodies and those who had none or a very low level. No real pattern .

@bumbleymummy

Ultimately, those 10% are going to get a big dose of Delta soon

They may have immunity from previous infection.

Great one less.

One step closer to the end

My partner hasn't had it yet. Nothing to regret? you can just go book an appointment. There is not a cut off date. partner has being told he has to have had them by our holiday middle of next year.

I am an educated critical thinker, with mind and body autonomy

Perfect.

@Tiari

This thread is supposed to be about any regrets that non vaccinated people may have. Instead, there appears to be many vaccinated people sounding defensive and some even angry. I don't get it? You've all done what you wanted, got vaccinated? Good luck to you, but I suspect there will still be more complete lockdowns next Winter and even more jabs- boosters.

this is partially due to the fact that every thread on vaccines simply descends into people a) denying or minimising the impact of COVID, b) spreading misinformation about vaccines including efficacy or safety

I agree the thread itself is silly, if someone regrets not being vaccinated then they can just pop on down to a walk in or book online, no big deal.

Your point being?
Vaccinated people are still not free and will likely be locked down again next winter.
It will be interesting to see if they carry on having boosters despite still being locked down.

For the record, I am not stubborn. I have simply decided to wait for the end of trials in 2023. Myself and others have stated this simple, easy to understand fact many times yet it seems soooo difficult for some to comprehend.

There is nothing vaccinated can do that non vaccinated cannot

[quote Unsure33]@bumbleymummy

Our local hospital were doing lots of antibody tests on those that had covid and they confirmed it was totally unpredictable for those who would have antibodies and those who had none or a very low level. No real pattern .[/quote]
Why are you directing this at me?

@Tiari

Your point being? Vaccinated people are still not free and will likely be locked down again next winter. It will be interesting to see if they carry on having boosters despite still being locked down.

For the record, I am not stubborn. I have simply decided to wait for the end of trials in 2023. Myself and others have stated this simple, easy to understand fact many times yet it seems soooo difficult for some to comprehend.

Same reason for me and many people I know on real life. It's not hard to understand

@wasthataburp

There is nothing vaccinated can do that non vaccinated cannot

Yet.

Good luck if you think 90%+ of the country will think being vaccinated has earned them nowt.

@wasthataburp much easier to travel to France if you are vaccinated

@LabiaMinoraPissusFlapus

No regrets and no intention of getting the vaccine. I have had Covid and feel far safer having natural immunity. Who knows what that jab is going to do to people. I cannot accept the risk of this vaccine.

I'm exactly the same - I could have written this post.

[quote Unsure33]@bumbleymummy

Our local hospital were doing lots of antibody tests on those that had covid and they confirmed it was totally unpredictable for those who would have antibodies and those who had none or a very low level. No real pattern .[/quote]
When anti-bodies fade, there is T-cell immunity which is superior and very long-lasting for coronaviruses.

LabiaMinoraPissusFlapus

No regrets and no intention of getting the vaccine. I have had Covid and feel far safer having natural immunity. Who knows what that jab is going to do to people. I cannot accept the risk of this vaccine.

I'm exactly the same - I could have written this post.

@Wildswim

Why are you scared of long term effects of vaccination against coronavirus, but not long term effects of COVID infection?

Worried? Not at all. I can read, I can understand the science of both innate immunity & cellular immunity and I can think for myself.

With regards to travel being open to vaccinated people ... I'm not sure whether this is the case yet, I've given up listening to the news as it changes so often ... but if it is the case, I wasn't planning on going anywhere this year anyway because Boris will change his mind last minute for sure - so I'd rather be spared the disappointment and bother.

@ollyollyoxenfree
In the same vein, why are some scared of long term effects of covid but not unknown risks of new vaccine?

You will never need a jab to go on holiday cos the government/economy/world want your money just think how much they would lose because there is always gunna be millions that will not have the jab I will never get a jab to go on holiday amuch as I love Spain I’m happy to never go again over this

I haven't had my second for medical reasons but as soon as I'm allowed to get it, I will be getting it.

Absolutely not.

A relief to know I do not have who knows what inside of me.

[quote Tiari]**@ollyollyoxenfree
In the same vein, why are some scared of long term effects of covid but not unknown risks of new vaccine?[/quote]
I don't think many people who have chosen to be vaccination dichotomise risk of COVID versus vaccine in that way as one to be scared of and one is not

From what we do know, the risks of infection outweigh the risks of vaccination for the individual for adults- including death, long term complications and long COVID. We know that COVID has long term effects, and these don't necessarily correlate with how ill you were when you were infected. Long term effects of vaccination on the other hand, are extremely unlikely, as there is no plausible mechanism for this to happen (as has been discussed to death on other threads). This doesn't mean they're impossible, but put against the very real risk of long term effects from COVID, I know what makes more sense to me.

Vaccination also brings with it other benefits for society in terms of reducing infection, transmission and the mutation rate (which are in turn going to benefit yourself)