Just wondering if those that have refused to have the vaccine are now wishing they had?

[Lovemusic33]

There’s a lot of talk about vaccinated people not having to quarantine in the future making travel easier, the possibility of a vaccine passport to be able to go to events and travel.

I have several friends that have refused to have the vaccine due to conspiracy theories and ‘not knowing the risks’, if they had taken the first vaccine they would have had their 2nd by now and potentially be ok to travel in the coming weeks or attend events, there even talk of some jobs needing vaccination (care workers).

I’m just wondering if anyone regrets their choice not to vaccinate?

BTW, I am vaccinated but I’m not judging those who decided against it, just wondering if they have changed their minds?

No regrets and no intention of getting the vaccine. I have had Covid and feel far safer having natural immunity. Who knows what that jab is going to do to people. I cannot accept the risk of this vaccine.

[quote Lostinacloud]@DaddyCool60 great, good to see you haven’t lost the ability to assess risk and likelihood. Why then are you so angry at people choosing not to be vaccinated because they have decided that the risk of covid to them is smaller than the potential side effects of a new vaccine? Remember that practically everyone under the age of 60 has over a 99% chance of survival.[/quote]
You say I’m angry which I’m not. Pointless engaging with someone who likes to project emotions on people. Good luck with the COVID lottery. 👍

No, no regrets at all. No amount of carrot or stick will make me take it. The reason for taking a vaccine should be to protect yourself not so you can go on holiday or get around various restrictions.

@Lostinacloud

Also, I’ve seen physicians say more than once that VAERS reports are estimated to be only around 10% of actual occurrences.

we don't have VAERS in the UK

That 10% figure is very out of date - reporting of side effects is likely to much greater due to the reality of living through a pandemic which the vaccine was designed, the sheer level of media coverage, the fact that HCPs are actively encouraging people to report, and that it's now common to have access to the internet and laptop/smartphone etc

It's just not comparable to say, the reporting of side effects after the chicken pox vaccine 10 years ago

@FflosFfantastig

No, no regrets at all. No amount of carrot or stick will make me take it. The reason for taking a vaccine should be to protect yourself not so you can go on holiday or get around various restrictions.

What's wrong With wanting to do something to be able to go on holiday or live under restrictions?

I had the vaccine to protect myself, DH and my family and to be able to gradually go back to a normal life. Holidays and concerts are part of that for me.

Most countries have their own version for reporting adverse vaccine affects olly, which I’m sure you know perfectly well.
It just so happened that there was an easy link to the American version. The uk’s yellow card version is far less openly accessible.

I regret having it

Enough people need to be vaccinated for lockdown to be lifted so we get sufficient herd immunity. Why are people regretting having it?

No amount of carrot or stick will make me take it. The reason for taking a vaccine should be to protect yourself not so you can go on holiday or get around various restrictions.

You know when parents bribe their kids to do stuff ... I do it. I try it quite often. It always ends up backfiring in some way. Things work out much better when they intrinsically choose to do something.

@Lostinacloud

Most countries have their own version for reporting adverse vaccine affects olly, which I’m sure you know perfectly well. It just so happened that there was an easy link to the American version. The uk’s yellow card version is far less openly accessible.

but you've ignored the points about how the often touted "only 10% of side effects are reported to VAERS" claim is relevant to the modern day context, for the reasons I gave, particularly during a pandemic where there's a media frenzy into vaccine side effects

as for
As of 14th June in the states, 5343 deaths after vaccine so far. Just to put that into perspective, the vaccine created for SARS-Cov1 17 years ago was considered too dangerous for use and totally cancelled after just 25 reported deaths after vaccine.

Firstly, the VAERS website has the following disclaimer:
Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.

Secondly, you expect a certain number of people to die after vaccination, in the same way you expect a certain number of people to get an STD, be involved in a car crash, or get pregnant. Sadly, we are not immortal, and there is a baseline rate of death in the general population. If no deaths were reported after vaccination, this would be very surprising and suggest that the vaccine was somehow protective against death. To actually get an idea of whether the vaccine is causing death, you need to compare these rates to rates of death in a comparable, unvaccinated population.

The same myths were spread about vaccines causing miscarriage

"**Franklin12

I honestly dont have any time with the anti vaxers. Have it or dont have it but dont spoil it for the rest of us and please stay away from me.

I certainly dont want to sit next to you on the train or a plane."

If you are vaccinated then you have protected yourself so why would it matter if you sat next to someone unvaccinated on a plane or train? How would you ever know they are unvaccinated? Do the unvaccinated have to wear a special hat so they stand out amongst the sheep?

@5831bob123

"**Franklin12

I honestly dont have any time with the anti vaxers. Have it or dont have it but dont spoil it for the rest of us and please stay away from me.

I certainly dont want to sit next to you on the train or a plane."

If you are vaccinated then you have protected yourself so why would it matter if you sat next to someone unvaccinated on a plane or train? How would you ever know they are unvaccinated? Do the unvaccinated have to wear a special hat so they stand out amongst the sheep?

not the pp

but why do you assume people who have been vaccinated are "sheep" rather than people who have assessed the pros and cons and decided to go ahead? shouldn't respect regarding decision to get vaxxed/not to get vaxxed go both ways?

Ollyollyoxenfree

You could apply the same logic to covid deaths. Why is it when people die within 28 days of a positive test it must be caused by covid but if someone dies within 28 days of a vaccine its pure coincidence. Im sick to death of the double standards.

Enough people need to be vaccinated for lockdown to be lifted
Lockdown and restrictions have already been lifted for some, including the royals. G7 in Cornwall, Royal Ascot, no masks, no social distancing. Euro final tickets booked for the rich and famous from all corners of the world: no isolating.

DH was at Royal Ascot, tested twice before being allowed in, has had to do a follow up test. He had to wear a mask when walking about inside, had limited numbers in the hospitality box he was in

@Cindy974

Ollyollyoxenfree

You could apply the same logic to covid deaths. Why is it when people die within 28 days of a positive test it must be caused by covid but if someone dies within 28 days of a vaccine its pure coincidence. Im sick to death of the double standards.

Which is why epidemiologists have also used measures of excess death to try and unpick what proportion of people are actually being killed by COVID. There's also some level of control, with car crash victims not counted as COVID deaths, but on the VAERS database they would be.

the fact that it's an imperfect measure doesn't mean the same logic should be applied to vaccination

There were many not wearing masks and standing together, even close to the queen.

Which is why epidemiologists have also used measures of excess death to try and unpick what proportion of people are actually being killed by COVID.

Don’t we currently have negative excess deaths? So fewer deaths than in previous years?

@bumbleymummy

Which is why epidemiologists have also used measures of excess death to try and unpick what proportion of people are actually being killed by COVID.

Don’t we currently have negative excess deaths? So fewer deaths than in previous years?

not reported by any credible statisticians I've seen

I know there was one COVID denying blogger claiming this (I've forgotten then name) but his stats were completely wrong

do you have a source?

This thread is supposed to be about any regrets that non vaccinated people may have.
Instead, there appears to be many vaccinated people sounding defensive and some even angry.
I don't get it? You've all done what you wanted, got vaccinated? Good luck to you, but I suspect there will still be more complete lockdowns next Winter and even more jabs- boosters.

www.statista.com/statistics/1131428/excess-deaths-in-england-and-wales/

app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9

@Tiari

This thread is supposed to be about any regrets that non vaccinated people may have. Instead, there appears to be many vaccinated people sounding defensive and some even angry. I don't get it? You've all done what you wanted, got vaccinated? Good luck to you, but I suspect there will still be more complete lockdowns next Winter and even more jabs- boosters.

Your point being?

OP , you're asking a bunch of stubborn people of they've changed their mind?😉

Well, considering we are now at 81.9% first dosed (assuming this will be matched with second doses eventually), we are going to hit 85-90% uptake with ease! Maybe higher.

So either:

A) The 10% are very vocal
B) The governments population statistics are off
C) a lot of people saying they haven’t had it, have had it, but for some reason they don’t want to admit it? Maybe they were adamant they weren’t going to have it, and have now rolled back.

Ultimately, those 10% are going to get a big dose of Delta soon, so we’ll be back to normal goddamn soon, finally.

We have a member of staff not having vaccine they said they had covid so believe they have antibodies. I said we had some free tests at work to check if they wanted . But they refused . Funnily enough they now want to travel to see a relative so now are going to have it 🤷‍♀️

Ultimately, those 10% are going to get a big dose of Delta soon

They may have immunity from previous infection.