Just wondering if those that have refused to have the vaccine are now wishing they had?

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There’s a lot of talk about vaccinated people not having to quarantine in the future making travel easier, the possibility of a vaccine passport to be able to go to events and travel.

I have several friends that have refused to have the vaccine due to conspiracy theories and ‘not knowing the risks’, if they had taken the first vaccine they would have had their 2nd by now and potentially be ok to travel in the coming weeks or attend events, there even talk of some jobs needing vaccination (care workers).

I’m just wondering if anyone regrets their choice not to vaccinate?

BTW, I am vaccinated but I’m not judging those who decided against it, just wondering if they have changed their minds?

The only thing that’s changed is my potential access to travel and employment and if anyone thinks that is acceptable then I amazed and sad for the future of humanity.

Me too. But I gave up on humanity a long time ago. People are fine with knowing others, the poorest and most vulnerable humans, are suffering in many ways all over the world, yet most do nothing. Many seem to begrudge foreign aid for example. An altruistic society....no. Most people are selfish and couldn’t give a fuck about others.

Society needs altruism to get Covid under control.

Society needs to vaccinate the vulnerable, worldwide, as quickly as possible.

Then society needs to stop wanking off big pharma, take a proportion of the $157billion it's going to spend on vaccines in the next few years and throw everything they have at antiviral medicine to actually treat the disease.

Society needed to do that a long time ago.

Why haven't they done this?
Why haven't they been doing this?

Call me cynical, or a conspiracy theorist (I bet someone will) but it could be something to do with the EUA only standing where there is no treatment available, and that is a hell of a lot of billions to waste on what could be a mild virus treatable with generic cheap drugs, and add that to the fact there has never been a hell of a lot of billions to be made in antiviral medicine. At least not in comparison to funded and highly in demand vaccines + the potential for annual boosters.

It's funny how one person's opinion on altruism can be so different to another person's, wouldn't you agree? @Hornbill123456789

I’m prepared to take that risk. Much as when I drink wine, shove any substance in my body, or take any medication (my Dad took a ‘new’ type of heart medication) I take a risk.

Not everyone does shove any substance into their body @Hornbill123456789 - many of us are very careful about what we consume etc

If we all took your stance - where would we be now?

If we took your stance - shoving any old thing into our body and not thinking or caring about the consequences - there would be many more people sick and overwhelming the NHS with illnesses other than Covid.

@PianoAndGuitar I feel the same - on here. In real life, I see some truly amazing people. My Mum’s surgeon, my daughter’s teacher, the 19year old who served my Mum meals in the hospital. Had deferred his University degree for a year so he could help in the hospital.

It is times like these that I am personally grateteful to not be living in a first world country. I am not going to be eligible to get a vaccine for quite a while yet so have time to make the decision. I was on the fence, but the reports of menstrual issues are really concerning to me. I do deep down wonder what other issues are going to come to light in the next few months. I can completely understand that some people are now more anxious post vaccination. As an outsider it does seem to be that there has been a lot of pressure placed on the public to have the jab, and you had not had a chance to see what other effects could arise.

I am not anti vaccine at all. I do just prefer to have properly researched jabs.

Would love to know the figures of those testing positive that have had the vaccine.

They won't give them to us though will they @canigooutyet?

And I'm sure you can guess why.

@isthismylifenow, I agree.

I also have anecdotal experience of having caught covid naturally towards the end of last year. I had a mild headache and felt like I wanted to watch films from the sofa for about 3 days, quite similar to a 3 day hangover. I did lose my taste and smell for about 2 weeks but that was it. No delayed or heavy period, no pins and needles, no blinding headache, no aches or fever or shakes and shivers, no long term effects and no worries about heart inflammation or fertility as far as I know, all of which I’ve seen mentioned numerous times on threads about vaccine side effects. It disgraceful how non-vulnerable and younger people have been made so scared of covid that some even say they feel grateful for these side effects rather than risk a natural infection.

Nope totally fine with my decision.

It's really odd how all the antivaxxers on MN seem to "discover" a post at the same time and post en-masse.....

Almost like many of them were the same person posting under different usernames....

Or maybe it’s because there are more people choosing not to be vaccinated than you think @justwanttodanceagain

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Because we need to show more care and concern for others. It shocks me the horrifically snide, superior and ‘so long as I’m ok’ attitude of some. And I would say EXACTLY the same to them. What is the point of posting THAT when people are suffering?[/quote]
Where was 'care and concern for others' pre-Covid? If we'd had a bit more 'care and concern for others' we might have had a functioning health service instead of an unfit-for-purpose disaster that had to be mothballed to protect it. We might have had an education system that could have provide workable home education and provided the necessary resources to enable less privileged families to cope. We might have had care homes instead of death traps.

There is no altruism in English society. It runs on selfishness, greed, arrogance and contempt.

No, I don't regret not having it at all.

Having spent a day a week doing the vaccinations from the start of the year, there are more people each week coming for their vaccination. It’s my positive place of the week when you a huge queue of people waiting for their turn.

@dustyboots - if people didn’t take medicine - hospitals would be better off?? Ehh??? Are you anti-medicine?

And good to hear that you never touch alcohol! Wow!

It's really odd how people deciding not to have this particular vaccine are called antivaxxers, when most have probably had all other jabs except this one?
Antivaxxer seems to be the wrong word.

No I don’t regret, I am awating for clinical trials to finish, which isn’t a conspiracy theory as it what states on phizer website. I am actually pleased I haven’t done it yet, considering all the info which is being released now. I am ok with travelling - will just quarantine on arriving back to the UK or pay for an extra test, no problem at all

Well going by some of the dramatics on this thread, no wonder some already vaccinated are on their high horse.

"They will regret it when they are wheeled in to hospital" ffs it isn't take the vaccine or die. I would imagine most people have weighed up their chances at fighting off the virus.

That's obviously not taking in the for greater good argument but tbh, seeing who the public voted in for government and how they treat the most vulnerable, I doubt that's why most people have had it.

And I think that’s fine @Heyhohi - as you are willing to take other extra precautions.

No at the minute I regret having it.

Tiari, I so agree with your comment, amazing how people who are just reading and analysing all available data are now called antivaxxers. People who have had all previous jabs plus my kids had them too. I am just awating for the trials to be finished to make an informed decision for me to have or not to have covid vaccine

thanks for demonstrating that you don’t understand what the vaccination is for. Clue one - it’s not about protecting you.

@DaddyCool60, isn’t it?

When my dcs got their jab for polio, DTP etc… it wasn’t about protecting them?
When older people get the flu jab, it’s not about protect them either.

What do you think getting vaccinated is about?

No, not at all. I don't go abroad, only been twice and last time was 1989, don't attend events either. Not saying I'll never have the vaccine at some point in the future though.

No I don’t regret, I am awating for clinical trials to finish, which isn’t a conspiracy theory as it what states on phizer website.

You might have to wait an awfully long time as Phase 4 trials go on for years after a drug is licensed (they are called post marketing trials & all companies do them). Other trials will go on as they seek to find out if they are effective in ceratin populations. This does not mean that the vaccine is untested, this seems to be a common misconception.

I just the U.K. would approve the vaccination for the under 18’s. It would reduce the transmission in the schools and the regular bursting of the bubbles. @ZZTopGuitarSolo has provided good updates on other threads on the success and benefits with their childrens vaccination programme.

I’m ok to wait as phizer website states as per the below . Plus there is a clear info on how long on average a clinical stage takes, I know about mRNA vaccines were developed long time ago, however I haven’t find any info on previous clinical trials data, so if you got one, it would be much appreciated

Stage 4 even after
medicines
are approved for use,
you can continue to
participate in long-term
clinical studies designed
to better understand the
risks and potential
benefits of the approved
medicine over time my www.pfizer.com/science/clinical-trials/guide-to-clinical-trials/phases