Just wondering if those that have refused to have the vaccine are now wishing they had?

[Lovemusic33]

There’s a lot of talk about vaccinated people not having to quarantine in the future making travel easier, the possibility of a vaccine passport to be able to go to events and travel.

I have several friends that have refused to have the vaccine due to conspiracy theories and ‘not knowing the risks’, if they had taken the first vaccine they would have had their 2nd by now and potentially be ok to travel in the coming weeks or attend events, there even talk of some jobs needing vaccination (care workers).

I’m just wondering if anyone regrets their choice not to vaccinate?

BTW, I am vaccinated but I’m not judging those who decided against it, just wondering if they have changed their minds?

@Rosieandjim04

I regret getting the jab ! The only reason I got it was because of vaccine passports I had a delayed allergic reaction covid arm hives my eyes been twitching like crazy (which I have never had before) heavy menstrual bleeding every other vaccine I've had has caused no side effects I've had hep B yellow fever and all the childhood ones I'm not an antivaxer but the covid vaccine is the worst one I've ever had for a virus I was already at low risk for .

I've also had the twitching eyes since having Pfizer. I'm really worried about it tbh

Severe anxiety and phobia about the jab here... so I am protecting my mental health by not having it. No regrets.
Oh, and I am not "refusing" it. Such language suggests it is being forced, which it is not. I have declined my invite (not a summons, as I have seen some people refer to it as).

I have several close friends who've refused and have no regrets.

We need to remember that there are those who cant have the vaccine and discrimination against those is wholly unfair.

@ollyollyoxenfree

I don't see anyone dismissing the menstrual symptoms reported by women.

The MHRA said: “The current evidence does not suggest an increased risk of either menstrual disorders or unexpected vaginal bleeding following the vaccines.”

It added: “The number of reports of menstrual disorders and vaginal bleeding is low in relation to both the number of females who have received Covid-19 vaccines to date and how common menstrual disorders are generally.

“The MHRA will continue to closely monitor reports of menstrual disorders and vaginal bleeding with Covid-19 vaccines.”

I think you certainly have a fair point but I believe this is one of these things where the general "numbers are the same or lower than in background population" statement can sound more dismissive than it usually does.

The statement makes more sense in the case of heart palpitations or onset of tremors or DVTs for example. 15 people reported a DVT but we would expect between 14 and 20 to have a DVT event in any random sample population during that timeframe anyway. Makes logical sense that this will just be monitored closely and not actively investigated.

Whereas (say) 10 million women who menstruate are included in the data. 4,000 report menstrual disorders. They are saying this is low because (say) 100,000 in a pop of 10mil have menstrual disorders generally. But why would that 100,000 who experience this generally ever record it as a vaccine side effect? They experience it every month (or at least often enough to be counted in the number that have menstrual disorders generally). It's nothing new for them. If your cycle is affected by stress, or in any way unpredictable, you'd be less likely to report than if you were regular as clockwork and suddenly bleeding unexpectedly or taking pregnancy tests.

That's what makes it sound like it could be dismissive to me. If 4,000 people experience a 'common disorder' that is abnormal for them, then I do believe this warrants a statement that they are going to look into the data further (actively investigate) and will produce findings on X date. Not that they will merely monitor.

OR they need to state clearly that in a random population of X women who menstruate, they would expect Y number to develop a new to them disorder over this time period, and Y is higher than the number of reports by Z factor (to account for the fact that a lot of women were not told they should be reporting, or even aware they could report and where to do it, as evidenced on lots of threads here).

Hope that reasoning makes some sense.

@shazzz1xx

your choice to have jab our choice not to… them that hate those like me is because your gutted you have had it and never know what will come out of it haha … oi oiiii

How bizarre.

I am TTC and don't feel comfortable taking the vax at this time. I don't regret not taking it but I do feel stress over the whole situation. My work are constantly encouraging people to take it and the whole thing makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't work in health care, why is my boss encouraging me to take a vaccine?! Will I suffer repercussions if I don't? I find it very worrying. Regards holidays, I have a flight booked to Spain for next month. Spain don't have any quarantine requirements for any Brits upon arrival. I am happy to test myself before and on return to the UK and I'm happy to isolate if required. I am WFH still and am likely to be next month so thankfully, isolating is not a problem for me.

Free country free choice. Choose wisely. Suffer the consequences or perhaps enjoy the benefits. It is for your own protection and also to protect others. Simples!

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Free country free choice. Choose wisely. Suffer the consequences or perhaps enjoy the benefits. It is for your own protection and also to protect others. Simples!

There should be no consequences or withdrawal of freedoms for not agreeing to a medical procedure.

Am sure there will be a lot of people coming back in 2023 to advise how sensible they were. In the meantime, forgetting about the huge number of people who were vaccinated earlier - and that, with large scale vaccine programmes, there will be “raised” incidents of complications.

But the fact that they wait another 2 years, probably with slightly lower complication numbers, they will crow that they were right. Meanwhile ignoring the comparative overall figures.

Furries
Maybe you're judging people by your own standards? I have no inclination whatsoever to "crow" over anyone. I genuinely hope vaccinated people will be ok, the same with unvaccinated people.
It's bizarre that this keeps turning into some kind of competition instead of just supporting each others choices.

@tiari - I get what you’re saying to some degree. And I definitely don’t agree with forcing people, it does come down to choice.

What I’m getting pissed off with us the increasing volume of posts on threads re “its all still in the trial phase” or “look at those who’ve died after the vaccine”.

I get it, it’s a worry. But equally, how the hell did we get where we are today re our “standard” vaccines if no one was willing to take them in the beginning. The “complications/deaths” numbers can look scary, but this vaccine drive is on a scale never seen before - people aren’t looking at numbers rationally with regards to “risk”.

I’m not against people making their own choice, but I’m not a fan of when they twist the narrative to stoke fear in others (that’s not directed at you, just a general point).

I think too many people had, and continue to have, unrealistic expectations regarding timelines. The govt have been crap with communication and getting hopes up. Not surprising most are pissed off!

@Parker231

I haven’t been sold any lie - having had both vaccinations (AZ) it will reduce the severity should I catch Covid, reduce my likelihood of needing hospital treatment and reduce the transmission to others around me.

I don’t regret my decision to be vaccinated - couldn’t wait for my turn.

Indeed,

This thread appears to have attracted some spreaders of anti vax nonsense.

[quote Furries]@tiari - I get what you’re saying to some degree. And I definitely don’t agree with forcing people, it does come down to choice.

What I’m getting pissed off with us the increasing volume of posts on threads re “its all still in the trial phase” or “look at those who’ve died after the vaccine”.

I get it, it’s a worry. But equally, how the hell did we get where we are today re our “standard” vaccines if no one was willing to take them in the beginning. The “complications/deaths” numbers can look scary, but this vaccine drive is on a scale never seen before - people aren’t looking at numbers rationally with regards to “risk”.

I’m not against people making their own choice, but I’m not a fan of when they twist the narrative to stoke fear in others (that’s not directed at you, just a general point).

I think too many people had, and continue to have, unrealistic expectations regarding timelines. The govt have been crap with communication and getting hopes up. Not surprising most are pissed off![/quote]
Totally.

Millions have now had the vaccine around the world. The death rate has fallen in double vaccine individuals. However, some still spread misinformation.

If you don't want it don't have it but stop spreading rubbish

@LindainLockdown

As if anyone who is of the anti-vax mentality would admit to being wrong, it's laughable and this post is a golden opportunity for more anti-vax propaganda.

Look at the smug anti-vaxxers coming out in force to essentially say "I'm not having it because (in my ever so humble, nothing to do with being a narcissist, opinion) my life is worth more than yours."

Of course the irony is they are only being provided with a life because of the vast unselfish majority having the vaccination.

100%

@XenoBitch you could protect and improve your mental health more by getting help for your health anxiety.

Unless there is a magic cut-off date why would anyone regret it? Most people plan travel in advance and would factor in the time to get fully vaccinated
I wonder if/when there is a a safer and more effective second generation vaccine released, will the early takers be regretful?

I don't see the point of this thread as anyone over 18 can just get a vaccine anyway. Maybe in the future some may have to pay for it but that won't be for a while yet.

Look at the smug anti-vaxxers coming out in force to essentially say "I'm not having it because (in my ever so humble, nothing to do with being a narcissist, opinion) my life is worth more than yours."

Bollocks

I wonder if/when there is a safer and more effective second generation vaccine released, will the early takers be regretful?

I think some are already regretful, going by the pissed off comments on here and lashing out at posters who have decided to wait.

@Tiari not sure why I should be regretful? Feel exceptionally thankful and pleased that I have some level of protection and much more relaxed.

How do you know someone hasn’t had the vaccine?

They’ll tell you.

@Tiari - if we all had decided to wait a couple of years to have the vaccine, what would happen?

Well I wanted everyone at risk from covid to have it - the “vulnerable”, which was what was said sound happen.

I thought in balance my mum should get it, for example. I am HORRIFIED at what happening now in terms of young people. Utterly disgusted. I think people are far too trusting and have no idea of the lack of longer term knowledge about these vaccines which they mostly didn’t need.

I have had lots of interesting debates on here and some angry ones with people posting links either way. The nanoparticles used in the vaccines I don’t believe have been properly tested in terms of where they go. It looks like some do end up in the ovaries at tiny levels. How is this ok?! What happens after that?

How do you know someone hasn’t had the vaccine?

They’ll tell you

Not my experience. I'm finding that people are very reluctant to say they're not having it in case they get called covidiots/selfish twats/ conspiracy theorists etc

@Itsprobablynotcominghome

How do you know someone hasn’t had the vaccine?

They’ll tell you.

What a load of rubbish Unless someone asks me then I haven’t told anyone, but no friends or work colleagues have asked because they respect others and don’t need to ask such a question as it’s none of their business.