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Is anyone else reassured by the death rates??

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ThornAmongstRoses · 22/06/2021 07:19

Is it just me?

I feel so reassured about the fact that the death rates are staying so low.

Each death is obviously a tragedy, I’m not dismissing that, but the fact that 1000’s of lives aren’t being lost a day anymore is such a blessing for many families.

Cases are going up, as was always going to happen, but the death rate staying so low each day is such a relief.

I’m relieved the vaccines must be working and I’m so happy for the all the the families in society who are no longer being ripped apart by losing their loved ones to such a horrible virus.

Maybe it’s because the sun is shining very beautifully where I am, but I’m feeling very positive this morning Smile

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Whatever9999 · 24/06/2021 05:27

@Tealightsandd

looks like both Italy and France have higher deaths than us -their daily average is around 50 a day.

Ah but I bet they have lower numbers of summer 'flu' and pneumonia (something often caused by...Covid).

Lateral flow is, as we all know, very inaccurate. But even PCR isn't super accurate. 30% of PCRs are false negatives.

Also, better treatments have led to more Covid patients taking longer than 28 days to die.

Then there's the fact that many apparently recovered Covid patients are discharged from hospital... but die within the next six months.

And of course, it's never been just about death. Long Covid is a huge issue. Potential heart, lung, kidney, and brain damage, diabetes, hearing loss.

I'd love genuinely good news but complacency and false reassurance is dangerous.

Sorry, but while every death is tragic, you do realise that the vast majority of people who have been unwell enough to have a long stay in hospital are also in the demographic that is at highest risk of dying of anything within the next couple of months aren't you?
Cafeaulait27 · 28/06/2021 17:12

3 deaths today

Delatron · 28/06/2021 17:51

Thanks for update @Cafeaulait27 that’s low.

Cafeaulait27 · 28/06/2021 17:58

@Delatron it’s wayyy lower than I was expecting. Will be interesting to see how much it jumps up tomorrow. There was no mention of technical issues for deaths so we have to assume it’s correct. It’s certainly reassuring although obviously every death is a tragedy.

Tealightsandd · 28/06/2021 17:59

Sorry, but while every death is tragic, you do realise that the vast majority of people who have been unwell enough to have a long stay in hospital are also in the demographic that is at highest risk of dying of anything within the next couple of months aren't you?

Wow. That is something very new! A new variant perhaps? Be interested to see the report you got that from, because that's a massive change from the last 18 months.
Really major news. Such a change from before - all those people, tens of thousands of working age, with well managed underlying conditions, who sadly have died.

Meanwhile in the news today. Around 50% of double vaccinated Covid patients have died. That's the UK though. Seems to be different in America. Very few double vaccinated died there. Question is, is it because AZ isn't as effective as Pfizer and/or was the UK's decision to go against advice and have a longer gap between Pfizer doses the issue? Or simply down to the Delta variant? Whatever the reason, it's a concern (although if it's UK vaccine rollout related, relatively easily resolved through mRNA boosters).

AlecTrevelyan006 · 28/06/2021 18:52

Around 50% of double vaccinated Covid patients have died.

are you sure about that?

Tealightsandd · 28/06/2021 18:57

Recent reports state 117 deaths. Of those 50 were double vaccinated. Not quite 50% but getting close.

Tealightsandd · 28/06/2021 18:58

What hasn't been said is which vaccine.
We really need a vaccine breakdown for the deaths.

ManyMaybes · 28/06/2021 19:03

[quote Cafeaulait27]@Delatron it’s wayyy lower than I was expecting. Will be interesting to see how much it jumps up tomorrow. There was no mention of technical issues for deaths so we have to assume it’s correct. It’s certainly reassuring although obviously every death is a tragedy.[/quote]
I actually disagree that every death is a tragedy. Everyone will die, hopefully at the end of a long and enjoyable life. It’s only a tragedy when cut short, which of course has happened in many cases due to covid.

If I were 90 for example, and covid got me, I wouldn’t think it a tragedy to die. It is just nature and I could just as easily die of something else the following week. I don’t think of my grandparents’ deaths as tragedies. I was sad, but the circumstances were not tragic. Thinking that way will only increase unnecessary sadness.

I think I might get attacked for this post…

AlecTrevelyan006 · 28/06/2021 19:06

@Tealightsandd

Recent reports state 117 deaths. Of those 50 were double vaccinated. Not quite 50% but getting close.
1) that's not the same as saying around 50% of double vaccinated Covid patients have died.

  1. if you've been double vaccinated it means you're in one of the 'vulnerable' groups

  2. no vaccine is 100% effective

Tealightsandd · 28/06/2021 19:14

What nonsense Alec

Or are you saying that people over 40/50 - an age when many still have young children - is elderly?

40+ are getting double vaccinated at present.

Yes, no vaccine is 100% effective, but if nearly 50% of double vaccinated are dying, that's concerning.

Also some vaccines are more effective than others. We need to know if that's the case here.

We need a breakdown of the deaths. Which vaccine did they receive.

Tealightsandd · 28/06/2021 19:15

Yes, no vaccine is 100% effective, but if nearly 50% of double vaccinated are dying, that's concerning.

To clarify. Nearly 50% of the deaths are double vaccinated.

Carameljack · 28/06/2021 19:29

I think the 50% stat actually shows the vaccine is in fact working. The most vulnerable have been double jabbed so far and before the vaccine drive they made up far far more than 50% of the deaths.

RocheLobe · 28/06/2021 19:33

The proportion of double vaccinated people among the deaths is going to increase as the proportion of people in the population who are double vaccinated increases.

UmbilicusProfundus · 28/06/2021 19:36

Agree with you @ManyMaybes.

Gwenhwyfar · 28/06/2021 19:40

"2) if you've been double vaccinated it means you're in one of the 'vulnerable' groups"

I'm mid-forties and in Cardiff, people my age with no underlying conditions have been vaccinated.

Carameljack · 28/06/2021 19:44

Well in England I think most under 40s haven’t had their second jab yet.

Clickbait · 28/06/2021 20:11

Under 40s probably not. But everyone I know who's over 45 has had theirs (I'm in England).

Delatron · 28/06/2021 21:39

Agree with @ManyMaybes

Cafeaulait27 · 28/06/2021 23:25

Yeah true, poor choice of words on my part - I should’ve just said sad!

Poorlykitten · 29/06/2021 06:50

Not everyone over 45 I know has had them, only just doing second jabs for 50 year olds here.

TheKeatingFive · 29/06/2021 06:54

2) if you've been double vaccinated it means you're in one of the 'vulnerable' groups

I'm mid-forties and in Cardiff, people my age with no underlying conditions have been vaccinated.

This point doesn’t refute what the previous poster was saying. Those vaccinated will be in the vulnerable groups. That doesn’t mean all those vaccinated will be in the vulnerable groups.

PacificOcean · 29/06/2021 10:39

It does refute it. The sentence is:

If you've been vaccinated it means YOU ARE (my emphasis) in one of the 'vulnerable' groups

Not

If you are in a vulnerable group you will have had the vaccine.

Delatron · 30/06/2021 17:25

Deaths are 14 today. With cases rising it’s a good sign they are staying low.

user1471518104 · 30/06/2021 17:35

@Delatron

Deaths are 14 today. With cases rising it’s a good sign they are staying low.
1100 people died today from flu or other respiratory virus other than covid