Is anyone else reassured by the death rates??

[ThornAmongstRoses]

Is it just me?

I feel so reassured about the fact that the death rates are staying so low.

Each death is obviously a tragedy, I’m not dismissing that, but the fact that 1000’s of lives aren’t being lost a day anymore is such a blessing for many families.

Cases are going up, as was always going to happen, but the death rate staying so low each day is such a relief.

I’m relieved the vaccines must be working and I’m so happy for the all the the families in society who are no longer being ripped apart by losing their loved ones to such a horrible virus.

Maybe it’s because the sun is shining very beautifully where I am, but I’m feeling very positive this morning

@duffeldaisy

To a certain extent the low deaths at the moment are obviously a relief. But a 0-9 year old and a 30-40 year old were in the death stats today and they are creeping up slowly (and always at least 2 weeks after the rise in cases, so always lagging). I would still prefer we went for zero covid and didn't accept any kind of rate as acceptable. I know it's still a low risk for most people, especially the vaccinated, but it's still distressing to hear that as 'living with it'.

We live with ‘flu almost every winter. Living with Covid will happen also.

currently, flu is killing more people than Covid

Of the 84 deaths in England and Wales that involved COVID-19, 66 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (78.6%, Figure 2). The number of deaths mentioning COVID-19 on the death certificate decreased, whereas the number of deaths due to COVID-19 increased. Of the 1,163 deaths that involved influenza and pneumonia, 292 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (25.1%).

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending11june2021

@AlecTrevelyan006 wow I hadn’t even realised, as it’s summer, that people were still dying of the flu at the moment. This really puts it into perspective!

Perspective is exactly what is needed right now.

We won’t get zero deaths..

Zero deaths is unobtainable I’m afraid.

Its more likely the deaths are pneumonia and not flu to be fair.

Lots of sick and elderly people get pneumonia. I saw elsewhere there has been hardly any flu because of social distancing measures.

Does it matter whether it’s pneumonia/flu? The point is that more common illnesses are killing more people than covid and we accept that. Those deaths aren’t plastered all over the media.

@Bordois

Oh no shetland 🤦🏼‍♀️

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"Does it matter whether it’s pneumonia/flu? The point is that more common illnesses are killing more people than covid and we accept that. Those deaths aren’t plastered all over the media."

I think the difference is how fast they transmit. It's not ever so easy to catch flu compared to this new Delta variant. So flu cases aren't rising exponentially in the same way that covid cases are. And even if deaths are at a lower level than before because of vaccines, if enough people get it then the deaths will be high in a few weeks. And it's avoidable.

But duffel they won't because vaccine.

shetland

Its like candy man, say there name 3 times and they might turn up 😬

How is it avoidable Duffel?

@Bordois

shetland

Its like candy man, say there name 3 times and they might turn up 😬

Ahhhhh you mean because I told @NannyAndJohn to bore off and that they are lockdown enthusiasts ?

lol I've said much worse on here at least I didn't call anyone a lockdown loving cunt this time but seems some people get really triggered by certain phrases 🤪

Awaits deletion again

It's great that things, at long last, seem to be improving. The vaccines are making a difference, and should you be unlucky enough to be hospitalised with Covid, the doctors now know way more about how best to treat you. But I fear this is not over yet. More mixing of people, particularly indoors, and more rule relaxation must lead to an increase in cases. For an unfortunate few, the vaccine may not take full effect, and of course there are some who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. With flu set to make a reappearance too, I fear that Boris and Whitty are right, and we are in for a rough winter. Rougher still if we manage to import another horrible variant, or even home grow it. Me, for the foreseeable, I'm sticking to being a hermit which is pretty much what our household has been able to do from the start.

I see my supportive post to @LivinLaVidaLoki was deleted. But at least she saw it first.

I was trying to be helpful and make her realise that the poster in question has been rude on other threads (at least three) and completely twists people’s words. I thought it would make her feel better and less attacked if she knew this poster had form.

Way to go Mumsnet! Feel free to delete this too. Seems you can’t be supportive of other posters who are being verbally abused. How strange.

@duffeldaisy

To a certain extent the low deaths at the moment are obviously a relief. But a 0-9 year old and a 30-40 year old were in the death stats today and they are creeping up slowly (and always at least 2 weeks after the rise in cases, so always lagging). I would still prefer we went for zero covid and didn't accept any kind of rate as acceptable. I know it's still a low risk for most people, especially the vaccinated, but it's still distressing to hear that as 'living with it'.

Zero Covid is impossible. We still live with pretty much every disease that has ever been. They come and go, but often re-appear out of nowhere. The only known disease to have been completely eradicated, and by vaccination, is smallpox.

People still die of plague, polio is resurgent, various flu's, HIV, ZIKA, Ebola.... and of course Malaria. Not all are now fatal, but treatment for some is still difficult. Covid may be the same, or may mysteriously disappear like SARS and MERS.

I honestly think it would do people good for the uk government to provide info on all deaths each day rather than just Covid - “1400 died today - 400 from cancer, 60 in road accidents, 300 from respiratory disease” for example

@duffeldaisy

"I wonder when it would be useful to go to weekly deaths? In the peak it was so horrific I guess it needed to be reported. But it seems at the moment some days are very low then they play catch up and add a few in one day and everyone freaks out.

Weekly would be more helpful at this stage I feel."

If you look at some of the stats people who publish on Twitter each day, they give the cases/deaths/vaccines in relation to what the figures were exactly a week ago (so you're not comparing a Tuesday with a Sunday), and also have running 'average' totals, which are a bit more reassuring as they balance out the blip days, and give a more measured idea of where things are going.

Lawrence Gilder is one, and Travelling Tabby is another.

Thanks.

I think I'd find it easier to read this way

I appreciated it @Delatron
That's the first time I've been personally attacked on here and I was stunned.

It does make you think that if these posters are at it all the time how they are still here....

I know @LivinLaVidaLoki. They did the same to me. Started f**Ing and blinding at me out of nowhere! It’s awful. So wanted to step in and say they have form for it and it’s not you and it can be upsetting.

Based on my own experience of people claiming "long COVID," I suspect that a high % of alleged cases are essentially psychosomatic and/or people suffering from generalized malaise and "pandemic-itis". Not all. But an awful lot of them.

Those who are deathly afraid of LC are welcome to go spend the rest of their lives hanging in an isolation tank in their cellar. The rest of us want to travel and go to the pub.

CV hospitalizations and deaths are on top of existing diseases, the NHS can barely cope with these, 5.4m are waiting for treatment, people can't get to see a GP.

Europe is opening up, europeans are going to Mallorca etc with no restrictions, their healthservices can cope, they are living with CV.

We are not.

@Takingthewee

CV hospitalizations and deaths are on top of existing diseases, the NHS can barely cope with these, 5.4m are waiting for treatment, people can't get to see a GP.

Europe is opening up, europeans are going to Mallorca etc with no restrictions, their healthservices can cope, they are living with CV.

We are not.

I think you've misunderstood here. Covid hurts most health services. The NHS is particularly bad, but all countries have struggled in the middle of a peak. What is happening now is that numbers on the continent are going down, not up, we're not in a wave. If the numbers go up, hospitals in other countries will also suffer even if some countries have better funded health systems and more of a buffer. France is supposed to have the best health system in the world, but they had to send patients to Germany at one point.

Has anyone seen the death rate for today? I can’t find it anywhere??