Is anyone else reassured by the death rates??

[ThornAmongstRoses]

Is it just me?

I feel so reassured about the fact that the death rates are staying so low.

Each death is obviously a tragedy, I’m not dismissing that, but the fact that 1000’s of lives aren’t being lost a day anymore is such a blessing for many families.

Cases are going up, as was always going to happen, but the death rate staying so low each day is such a relief.

I’m relieved the vaccines must be working and I’m so happy for the all the the families in society who are no longer being ripped apart by losing their loved ones to such a horrible virus.

Maybe it’s because the sun is shining very beautifully where I am, but I’m feeling very positive this morning

Thanks @user1471518104 good to get a balanced picture.

Is that data available to the public please?

@Workyticket

Is that data available to the public please?

Yes. On the nhs dashboard. The excel one. I'll try to link it

Yes I am however it will be interesting to see where they go now there are 20k plus cases a day again.

@Workyticket

Is that data available to the public please?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19/latestinsights#deaths

1100 people died today from flu or other respiratory virus other than covid

I'd be interested to know of any other countries have so much 'flu' around? In the middle of summer, at a time when flu rates worldwide had significantly fallen.

Flu prevalence has been very low worldwide.

The UK must be a strange outlier.

At least it might help the rest of the world. There were concerns about this year's flu jab. There's been such low number of flu cases worldwide, they weren't sure which strains to include. Now that the UK seems to have a large outbreak (wonder where it came from?), they can look at what strain we have.

The flu and pneumonia deaths for week ending 23 June were 1163 so don’t belive that daily figure tealights

And that 1163 is way below the 5 year average but don’t let that stop your conspiracy theory!

Besides as explained by scientists world wide

Viruses compete

This as covid reduces other viruses gather speed

Flu and pneumonia infections are also higher than covid in USA

Yes it is 1100 per week not per day. I think User made a mistake in reporting that was then extrapolated into a conspiracy theory.

If you look at weekly deaths we are around 0.4% higher in the UK that the 5 year average (42 deaths) so the non COVID deaths are within the normal range

Yes, I am very reassured by the low death rates when coupled with the apparently high case rates. But then, I am in the minority (on here anyway) as I felt reassured back in early 2020 when I learned that Covid was killing less than 1% of the people catching it. I.e. that the 'chilling virus' sweeping the world was not killing as many of the people as those which were the cause of other serious pandemics (e.g. smallpox 30%, Ebola 70%, some types of flu in history 12%).

I do also think that many people have no concept whatsoever of how many people of all ages do actually die during a given 'normal' year. I wish they would look. I wish they would look into and understand their 'normal' risk of dying in a normal year, and realise the extent that Covid has changed it. There is a very good article on the BBC from last year about it. It explains that the risk is roughly the same for almost everybody as the added risk of their dying of anything else in a given year.

Without context, the numbers we are shown mercilessly by the media are utterly meaningless.

Flu cases practically disappeared, around the world. It doesn't just magically appear.

Why has the UK suddenly got so many. In summer. 1000+ deaths a week? When flu has virtually disappeared this year?

It's huge news. For the whole world. Flu virtually non existent. Suddenly - out of nowhere - the UK has huge numbers. 1000+ deaths in one week. I expect the WHO will want to investigate. It's very strange. (And concerning).

Where is the 1100 figure coming from?

1100 people died today from flu or other respiratory virus other than covid

Source? These figures aren't routinely published on a daily basis.

The low rates of flu has made it much harder to make the predictions for which strains to put in the shot this year. It's quite possible we'll see a bad year for that reason alone.

Also Southern Hemisphere countries are reporting higher than usually levels of RSV. It usually goes round schools every winter, as children weren't catching it last year, we'll probably see similar. Not because there's anything different about the virus or the children, simply that the numbers in school who have not yet had it will be higher than usual.

@Tealightsandd it is really not - it is influenza and pneumonia - with the emphasis on the latter I suspect and as

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional

Shows- it is a fairly stable figure over the past year and also shows the five year average - which it is also below at the moment.

It really isnt news at all.

This isnt the first time I have seen that you have read or reacted to a piece of information and read it in the completely wrong way

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest

missed latest off!

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996369/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w25.pdf

"Through Respiratory Datamart, there were no influenza positive samples detected in week 24. Other indicators for influenza such as hospital admissions and GP influenza- like illness consultation rates remain low. Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) positivity increased slightly to 1.7%, while parainfluenza positivity decreased to 5.9% in week 24. Rhinovirus, adenovirus and human metapneumovirus (hMPV) positivity remained low at 6.2%, 1.6% and 0.3% respectively"

No confirmed cases, numbers seeking NHS advice for flu symptoms low. No deaths

The low rates of flu has made it much harder to make the predictions for which strains to put in the shot this year.

Yes this. Which is why it's so concerning, if it's true, the previous poster's claim that 1000+ people in just one week have died of flu. Where has this massive outbreak of flu (in the UK) suddenly come from? With cases almost non existent around the world.

The data is here: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19/latestinsights#deaths

2021
Week no. 24
Deaths involving Influenza and Pneumonia: 1069
Deaths due to Influenza and Pneumonia: 264
Deaths involving Influenza and Pneumonia - five-year average: 1582
Deaths involving COVID-19: 102
Deaths due to COVID-19: 74

Yes I am reassured

Crossposted.

Ah so the deaths are mainly pneumonia, not flu. That makes much more sense. We know that Covid commonly leads to pneumonia.

On a related note. We know that 30% of PCR tests are false negatives. I wonder if this is higher with the Delta strain?

Its influenza and pneumonia put together so very much the latter and if you look at the link it is well within the normal range of what people die from.

Pneumonia is the leading cause of under 5 deaths in the world and 9th cause in the US. These figures are nothing out of the normal.

Most countries lump them together when allocating out deaths (presumably because they are similar and they dont test to distinguish)

If deaths are say 1% of cases for example and deaths go extra thousand.

This isn't the same now we have vaccination though. We've been told repeatedly that cases would still occur (and rise when things opened up) but that they would be milder/less likely to lead to death, so I don't know why so many people are panicking about it.