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Is anyone else reassured by the death rates??

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ThornAmongstRoses · 22/06/2021 07:19

Is it just me?

I feel so reassured about the fact that the death rates are staying so low.

Each death is obviously a tragedy, I’m not dismissing that, but the fact that 1000’s of lives aren’t being lost a day anymore is such a blessing for many families.

Cases are going up, as was always going to happen, but the death rate staying so low each day is such a relief.

I’m relieved the vaccines must be working and I’m so happy for the all the the families in society who are no longer being ripped apart by losing their loved ones to such a horrible virus.

Maybe it’s because the sun is shining very beautifully where I am, but I’m feeling very positive this morning Smile

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iminthegarden · 22/06/2021 09:38

@QwertyGirly
I wasn't making comparisons between covid and the flu but the long term effects from pneumonia can be as crippling as long covid. You know that killer condition that is far worse during flu season!

Poorlykitten · 22/06/2021 09:39

@QwertyGirly I think it’s okay to try snd look for some light in all this dark, at the moment less people seem to be dying which is stark contrast to our numbers last year. So not sure why it’s hilarious to be pleased about that. It’s a long road and I’m sure we all know we are not out of the woods but is a tiny bit of celebration not allowed anymore?

Poorlykitten · 22/06/2021 09:41

As for long Covid, of course it a worry but most viruses do come with the possibility of post viral syndrome and hopefully as more is known about LC the treatment will improve.

everybodysang · 22/06/2021 09:43

I'm starting to feel a bit optimistic now, the stats do seem hopeful.

I really hate the way everything is so utterly divisive though. Surely it's ok to still be worried about the long term effects of a fairly new illness? And I don't say this as a reason we should stay locked down - not at all. But we should be able to discuss it in the context without it devolving into a WHAT ABOUT THE FLU etc argument, no?

sotiredofthislonelylife · 22/06/2021 09:45

I would wholeheartedly agree that ‘case numbers’ should not be the thing on which opening up properly relies.
When we weren’t able to test, we would have had no idea how many people tested positive; we only had numbers of hospital admissions and deaths.
Have we ever had ‘flu numbers published? Hundreds or maybe thousands die over a ‘flu season, and we never lockdown. Now that numbers of hospital admissions are fairly low, hospital stays are generally much shorter, and deaths also (comparatively) low, it’s time to allow more freedom.
It’s a huge concern that so many people are still unable to get treatment for other serious, non-COVID conditions, or are so worried that they fail to seek medical advice for their symptoms.
As others have said, the amazing vaccine programme seems to have broken the link to serious illness/death in the majority of cases, and this was what we were told was necessary to allow us back our freedom.

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 09:46

@Poorlykitten

As for long Covid, of course it a worry but most viruses do come with the possibility of post viral syndrome and hopefully as more is known about LC the treatment will improve.
Won’t incidence of Long Covid drop post vaccination?

I don’t know if we know this but maybe we do

ajandjjmum · 22/06/2021 09:47

@ExConstance

The death rates are of people who died within 28 days of getting a Covid diagnosis. In reality this means that some of them died of other causes and some died from Covid plus something else. The numbers for people who got Covid, became very ill and died will be very low indeed.
I always think this - but am scared to say out loud! Surely the odds are that several of these people will have died from unrelated issues, or 'with' Covid rather thank 'of' Covid?

Although the hospital numbers are rising slightly, the deaths seem fairly constant at the moment, so please God, the vaccines are working.

As an aside, I volunteer at vaccine clinics. There are lots of young people coming as quickly as they can, but there are still some older people who have only just decided to get jabbed.

musicalfrog · 22/06/2021 09:49

I agree OP and proud to be a cheerleader!

Roonerspismed · 22/06/2021 09:51

I don’t understand why more isn’t made of this

I look at other countries unlocking; lower vaccination rates and think - what is going on?

Clickbait · 22/06/2021 09:53

I'm proud to be a cheerleader too!

Harrydresdenssidekick · 22/06/2021 09:54

I am feeling more positive too.
(Slopes off to buy some pom poms in the amazon prime sale)

ajandjjmum · 22/06/2021 09:56

@sotiredofthislonelylife

I would wholeheartedly agree that ‘case numbers’ should not be the thing on which opening up properly relies. When we weren’t able to test, we would have had no idea how many people tested positive; we only had numbers of hospital admissions and deaths. Have we ever had ‘flu numbers published? Hundreds or maybe thousands die over a ‘flu season, and we never lockdown. Now that numbers of hospital admissions are fairly low, hospital stays are generally much shorter, and deaths also (comparatively) low, it’s time to allow more freedom. It’s a huge concern that so many people are still unable to get treatment for other serious, non-COVID conditions, or are so worried that they fail to seek medical advice for their symptoms. As others have said, the amazing vaccine programme seems to have broken the link to serious illness/death in the majority of cases, and this was what we were told was necessary to allow us back our freedom.
Apparently PHE data shows that an average of 17,000 deaths occur in the UK every year due to flu. That equates to 46 people a day. Does make you think.

Still praying the number of Covid deaths doesn't increase, and the vaccination programme becomes even more effective.

MareofBeasttown · 22/06/2021 09:57

@MarshaBradyo I have a lot of anecdotal evidence about the vaccines working because my family is in India and nearly all have been double vaxxed. Some of them got the Delta variant- because they are doctors and it has been hard to avoid for them- but had very mild cases. I have no data though.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 22/06/2021 10:01

The numbers are still le, but the trend is quite high (increases have been over 10% for a little while now) with admissions increases over 39%

It is not doom-mongering to be concerned about the direction of travel - it's just reading the published information. But as the absolute numbers remain low, there is still time to choke off the rise

herecomesthsun · 22/06/2021 10:04

@ExConstance

The death rates are of people who died within 28 days of getting a Covid diagnosis. In reality this means that some of them died of other causes and some died from Covid plus something else. The numbers for people who got Covid, became very ill and died will be very low indeed.
The death rates are of people who died within 28 days of getting a Covid diagnosis. In reality this means that a number of people who died after 28 days (but definitely died of covid) aren't counted.

Earlier in the pandemic, the medical opinion was that if anything, the "died within 28 days" figures was an underestimate of the real figures, because of this.

So the numbers are currently low - which is great; the decision to allocate cause of death may be multifactorial, but I wouldn't assume that the real number is necessarily a lot lower than the one given,

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ThornAmongstRoses · 22/06/2021 11:00

Thank you to all my fellow cheerleaders Grin

As predicted - some doom and gloom appeared but certainly not as much as I feared.

I get that everyone has their concerns and that’s understandable, but I’m definitely getting my pom-poms out Grin

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QwertyGirly · 22/06/2021 11:03

Hey guess what, this is a board with people of different opinions!! If you want people who all have the same opinion you could join in a board about... I'm not sure what, but good luck to you!

BigWoollyJumpers · 22/06/2021 11:05

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

The numbers are still le, but the trend is quite high (increases have been over 10% for a little while now) with admissions increases over 39%

It is not doom-mongering to be concerned about the direction of travel - it's just reading the published information. But as the absolute numbers remain low, there is still time to choke off the rise

I try to stay away from %'s as they are not a good reflection of reality when numbers are low. If you go from 1 to 2 deaths, that is 100% rise, but so what?

Death numbers have been consistently averaging 10 per day, since the beginning of May, and ONS weekly figures for Covid on death certificate are still coming down.

Patients admitted daily have been increasing, but they total number in hospital is not going up as sharply, indicating that these admissions are short stayers.

All looks good to me.

BarbarianMum · 22/06/2021 11:14

I'm quietly optimistic but no pom-poms for a couple more weeks .Smile

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 11:15

[quote MareofBeasttown]@MarshaBradyo I have a lot of anecdotal evidence about the vaccines working because my family is in India and nearly all have been double vaxxed. Some of them got the Delta variant- because they are doctors and it has been hard to avoid for them- but had very mild cases. I have no data though.[/quote]
Ok thanks

There could be data from early vaccinations but not sure how it’s monitored

Poorlykitten · 22/06/2021 11:21

I had my second vacc this week, lots of young folk in the queue. Very heartening to see. This thread is making me happier…

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 22/06/2021 11:26

I am optimistic, and pleased that my faith in science getting us out of this is being borne out. The numbers are very encouraging.

So pleased to see all the over-18s at the London stadiums on Saturday getting jabbed. They've had to wait patiently but can now be protected and look forward to a better summer, improved experience at university in the autumn, all that.

she cannot accept any UK gains at all because this suggests we have a good UK government
@MorrisZapp exactly, I've seen a lot of this. Johnson is still a useless, awful liar, but thankfully the people actually vaccinating have done a great job.

@MarshaBradyo good to hear that your family members have been able to avoid serious illness. Hopefully word will get around.

Bobholll · 22/06/2021 11:38

Yep. I’ve been feeling very positive & upbeat since 17th May. Life feels pretty normal, I’m thorough enjoying time with friends & family. Doing loadsa stuff with my kids. Currently on holiday about to go the beach. Had a fantastic few days with both sides of the family (two households per lodge). Nothing in that stats concerns me at all. To be honest, I don’t even look anymore. We are all double vaccinated bar the children so summer is here to enjoy to the max! Only shit bit is isolation, we dodged a bullet at nursery last week. It’s irritating but there we go. I’m hoping isolation gets dropped for the vaccinated soon, I’m jealous of my family in the US with none of this once vaccinated..

NannyAndJohn · 22/06/2021 11:38

It's too early to tell. Hospitalisations are starting to rise rather quickly though.

Also - Long Covid.

DGFB · 22/06/2021 11:39

YES. Vaccines work, freedom beckons!