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Why are all the Covid conspiracy theory’s coming true?

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sunnnysideup · 21/06/2021 22:24

Honest question?

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Sonarl · 22/06/2021 12:29

Wrong quote sorry, in reply to this one:

Sonarl

I can't be a fighter pilot because I don't have perfect eyesight.

I can't be an athlete because I don't have the right body.

I can't even be cabin crew because I'm too short.

if you can't have a vaccine to protect the vulnerable people you care for then boo hoo you can't do that job, do one of the millions of others.

Not a good example, the first 3 are all intrinsic and naturally occurring.

crosstalk · 22/06/2021 12:39

@KevinTheGoat

More that Modi and Balsonaro have shown no concern for their citizens.

Sonarl · 22/06/2021 12:42

[quote TatianaBis]Conventional wisdom is that RNA cannot affect DNA.

However a Harvard/MIT preprint indicated Covid RNA may be reverse transcribed in human cells. In support of its hypothesis the study found evidence that DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed (a process called ‘retro-integration’) and shows viable cellular pathways by which this happens.

We found chimeric transcripts consisting of viral fused to cellular sequences in published data sets of SARS-CoV-2 infected cultured cells and primary cells of patients, consistent with the transcription of viral sequences integrated into the genome.

SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse transcribed in human cells by reverse transcriptase (RT) from LINE-1 elements or by HIV-1 RT, and that these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed.

Human endogenous LINE-1 expression was induced upon SARS-CoV-2 infection or by cytokine exposure in cultured cells, suggesting a molecular mechanism for SARS-CoV-2 retro-integration in patients.

This novel feature of SARS-CoV-2 infection may explain why patients can continue to produce viral RNA after recovery and suggests a new aspect of RNA virus replication.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33330870/[/quote]
Yes, as mentioned, it is not unknown for viral DNA to integrate into host nuclear DNA. And some evidence as pointed out that there may be a way for viral RNA to do the same thing via intermediary steps and there is some evidence to show that the covid19 virus, SARS-CoV-2, has the ability to do that (could have implications for long covid being even worse that it is already known to be in some people ......)

But that is absolutely not the same as a small piece of genetically engineered mRNA in a lipid coating that is only viable for a matter of hours that can't pass the nuclear membrane so can't get into where your DNA is in your cells and doesn't carry any of the required enzymes for integrating into DNA i.e what is in a mRNA vaccine. And even if it could/did, so what? It only codes for one expressed protein which is exactly the desired effect to stimulate an immune response and would happen out in the cytoplasm anyway, like all the millions of naturally occurring mRNA to protein translations that are occurring in all your cells at any moment in time to keep you alive.

It also shows what a nasty, sneaky virus the covid19 virus actually is, with potentially long-lasting effects, and is even more reason to have a vaccine against I'd have thought.

Science eh? Never let it get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!

Alondra · 22/06/2021 13:07

Genetic engineering is the next frontier of medicine. Whoever thinks we can beat viruses and bacteriological infections with 20th century
convectional arms, have no idea about how these infections can wipe out human population.

Keep talking about conspiracy theories instead of investing money for DNA research, and instead of leaping forward medically, we'll be going backwards.

sunnnysideup · 22/06/2021 13:10

Many people still just don’t get it do they 🤦🏻‍♀️

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ollyollyoxenfree · 22/06/2021 13:15

@sunnnysideup

Many people still just don’t get it do they 🤦🏻‍♀️
get what though?

this is classic conspiracy theory trope, alluding to things that others are too stupid to see, but never actually explaining

you've mentioned some things that aren't conspiracy theories, and others that have no scientific grounding

what is it we're not getting? If the vaccine has made me infertile and cut 20 years off my life I'd quite like to know about it, but there's literally no evidence to suggest this is the case

Cornettoninja · 22/06/2021 13:34

@sunnnysideup

Many people still just don’t get it do they 🤦🏻‍♀️
Get what? You posted a long list which was thoroughly answered. A lot of it wasn’t conspiracy it was disease management policy or theory. The conspiracy (or not) comes in at the point you illustrate why it’s a problem.

There comes a time you need to look at yourself and check whether you’re communicating clearly because I’m not seeing much conspiracy here tbh.

knittingaddict · 22/06/2021 13:37

[quote KisstheTeapot14]@pinktables I agree with you. I think a lot of conspiracy theories are put out as a distraction, a sleight of hand to take attention away from more genuine questions about power, influence and money.

Manipulation of information and side tracking have always been useful tactics in the world of politics. It might have been leaflet drops from planes in the past (see airbourne leaflet propoganda on wiki) but these days those who wish to try this also have the entire internet to play with.[/quote]
So conspiracy theories are a conspiracy theory? Grin

And on and on it goes.

knittingaddict · 22/06/2021 13:41

@sunnnysideup

Many people still just don’t get it do they 🤦🏻‍♀️
Look if there's something to get then just tell us what it is. You can't can you? There is nothing rational or intelligent that you can communicate to us. There never is.
Sonarl · 22/06/2021 13:43

@sunnnysideup

Many people still just don’t get it do they 🤦🏻‍♀️
Ah the old conspiracy theorist's favourite - you are just such stupid sheeple you don't see what ' in front of you. Well frankly I think most people that subscribe to all these wild conspiracy theories are too stupid, or more kindly, uneducated to understand science and medicine properly and hence see conspiracies where there's just complexity and self-serving politicians.
ChristmasFluff · 22/06/2021 14:25

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BluebellsGreenbells · 22/06/2021 14:28

NHS hospitals are not known for keeping loads of elderly people lying around just for the lols

Yes they are. They can’t get the help or equipment in place at home and rely on other agencies to sort this or they may need disabled accommodation via the council or home paid for via a load of bureaucracy!

Look up bed blockers it’s a huge problem.

Sonarl · 22/06/2021 14:34

"Everyone who is injected for covid-19 is basically taking part in the stage 4 trials of an untested injection, that is more akin to gene therapy than vaccination."

Go on then, explain the difference between modern vaccines (Pfizer and AZ being 2 of the different types) and gene therapy? How is a mRNA vaccine like the Pfizer one doing gene therapy?

Wannabangbang · 22/06/2021 14:42

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist but i find it odd a few kids doing sports day with parents watching outside is disallowed but footballers and their fans can gather in large numbers and G7 summit can also gather in a large number. Very strange so covid not dangerous to the rich then? Hmm

Cornettoninja · 22/06/2021 14:51

@Wannabangbang

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist but i find it odd a few kids doing sports day with parents watching outside is disallowed but footballers and their fans can gather in large numbers and G7 summit can also gather in a large number. Very strange so covid not dangerous to the rich then? Hmm
You’re over thinking it, it’s simply about money/economical reasons. Sports days don’t generate revenue and if there was an outbreak would cost money (healthcare, time off work etc.). There’s no conspiracy past living in a capitalist society.
ollyollyoxenfree · 22/06/2021 14:57

Everyone who is injected for covid-19 is basically taking part in the stage 4 trials of an untested injection, that is more akin to gene therapy than vaccination.

so much misinformation in this post

it has been tested as per standard drug development, that all existing vaccines have gone through

they are not gene therapy, they do not change your genetic material

Br3style · 22/06/2021 14:57

The Authority seeks to procure a framework agreement for temporary body storage in the event of an excess deaths situation for the 32 London boroughs and the City of London, led by Westminster City Council. The framework agreement will appoint a single provider and will be for a period of 4 years. This will be a contingency contract, only called upon in the event that an excess deaths situation arises in the future and existing local body storage capacity needs to be augmented.

lightand · 22/06/2021 15:04

@sunnnysideup

Many people still just don’t get it do they 🤦🏻‍♀️
Dont try op. There were pages and pages about it, even on MN, for people to read.

And there are masses of Bible verses about not trying to convince fools.
In the BIble, we are taught to walk away from fools.
Give up op, as others should do too.

ollyollyoxenfree · 22/06/2021 15:10

Dont try op.
There were pages and pages about it, even on MN, for people to read.

And there are masses of Bible verses about not trying to convince fools.
In the BIble, we are taught to walk away from fools.

@lightand

pages and pages on what? nonsense yes, rationale for things being a big conspiracy, no

DumplingsAndStew · 22/06/2021 15:17

Now we're actually getting into conspiracy theories...

youshouldbeplotting · 22/06/2021 15:30

@ChristmasFluff what a load of scaremongering rubbish. You clearly don't have a clue what Phase 4 of clinical trials actually entails for a start.

CloudPop · 22/06/2021 15:49

@Mojitofairy

I was seriously hoping for better mobile reception. 2 jabs done. Nope. Not a thing. Gutted. Hoping once dh gets his second jab there will be a magical forcefield that envelops the house and helps out with my phone too. Because he’s a man, obvs, and it must only work for the men...
Looks like you still need to upgrade your phone. Bloody nuisance.
Sonarl · 22/06/2021 16:06

Ah the Bible. biggest human conspiracy theory yet! :)

TatianaBis · 22/06/2021 16:24

@Sonarl

I’m not quite sure who you’re accusing of conspiracy - the MIT study scientists or me. If the latter perhaps you would read my posts on this thread, if the former they were simply studying Covid viral RNA.