Why are all the Covid conspiracy theory’s coming true?

[sunnnysideup]

Honest question?

[riveted1]

Or the fact that they're currently repackaging IVM, a protease inhibitor, to sell protease inhibitor daily pills?

Ah yes the latest conspiracy theory going round on facebook, that Pfizer's new anti-viral drug in trials is actually ivermectin in a crafty disguise

You realise this is complete nonsense? They are totally different drugs @aboverubies7 Do you really think the hundreds of staff involved in such a trial are somehow being paid off to keep it quiet?

www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-initiates-phase-1-study-novel-oral-antiviral

It would also be pretty stupid given that ivermectin looks to be ineffective against COVID.

[daytriptovulcan]

Well they re not are they.

[aboverubies7]

@riveted1

Or the fact that they're currently repackaging IVM, a protease inhibitor, to sell protease inhibitor daily pills?

Ah yes the latest conspiracy theory going round on facebook, that Pfizer's new anti-viral drug in trials is actually ivermectin in a crafty disguise

You realise this is complete nonsense? They are totally different drugs *@aboverubies7* Do you really think the hundreds of staff involved in such a trial are somehow being paid off to keep it quiet?

www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-initiates-phase-1-study-novel-oral-antiviral

It would also be pretty stupid given that ivermectin looks to be ineffective against COVID.

IVM is administered as a prophylactic and protease inhibitor. They're formulating a drug that does the exact same thing to sell it at a ridiculous markup.

Their employees won't complain when it's great for their bottom line. The off patent IVM and zinc pairing doesn't line their coffers.

The war against IVM is predicated on lies dressed up as objective science.

You're rather slow on the uptake.

I do not own a Facebook account. The cute conspiracist label is getting awfully boring now. Try refuting the facts and the substance of my argument.

I'd say the biggest conspiracy theory is that the vax producers are benevolent actors, vaccinating the world out of the kindness of their heart

Anyways, the shills are here in full force and MN is censoring information that challenges pharmaceutical corruption and subterfuge. Mumsnet doesn't like the truth. Only knitting.

[AlixandraTheGreat]

You might like to check this link out re: your claim above. It does seem that vague claims from Facebook users might not always check out?

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiyseiZrqDzAhXZfX0KHfnBBwAQFnoECBcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffullfact.org%2Fonline%2Fnew-protease-inhibitor%2F&usg=AOvVaw1oCXE--d7WUJ0XEjMUUiFr

[AlixandraTheGreat]

I'll try that again:

fullfact.org/online/new-protease-inhibitor/

[TruthHelps80]

Because when something such as covid which has been planned for so long, those plans tend to come to fruition. Baffles me that hundreds are so flippant about it but doesn’t surprise me one bit. This is mumsnet after all

[TruthHelps80]

People are being paid off to keep quiet about many things. Do you really believe that this isn’t true? It’s always been the way the world has worked. Nothing to do with covid. It’s always been this way.

[TruthHelps80]

There are people much much higher up than Joe Rogan who are speaking out. And Joe Rogan has and will continue to be a great source in this huge mess.

[TruthHelps80]

Because not all conspiracy theories are conspiracies. Why do so many people believe?
One reason, say psychologists, is that it is perfectly reasonable, because conspiracies sometimes happen.
They aren’t that hard to find if you look.
Consider the Iran-Contra affair in the 1980s, when senior US officials conspired to sell weapons to Iran – then under an arms embargo – and channel the proceeds to rebels trying to oust Nicaragua’s socialist government.
That was a conspiracy theory that was proved to be true. Just one of many.

[AlixandraTheGreat]

@TruthHelps80

Because when something such as covid which has been planned for so long, those plans tend to come to fruition. Baffles me that hundreds are so flippant about it but doesn’t surprise me one bit. This is mumsnet after all

Who are you talking to?

Who do you think "planned" Covid?

[Droite]

So what's your evidence of long-term planning of covid, @TruthHelps80? And why are you so certain a pandemic cannot happen without planning?

[Droite]

Their employees won't complain when it's great for their bottom line

Obviously it isn't a question of whether employees will complain, it's a question of whether they can really guarantee that hundreds if not thousands of employees and ex-employees will all keep their mouths shut for ever. How do you suggest they achieve that, @aboverubies7?

[IncredulousOne]

@TruthHelps80

There are people much much higher up than Joe Rogan who are speaking out. And Joe Rogan has and will continue to be a great source in this huge mess.

Maybe or maybe not, but my point was that there was a 99.7% chance he would have recovered with or without Ivermectin.

All I'm saying is that I don't take my medical advice from celebs.

(There are plenty of doctors who recommend IVM, but IMO the scientific evidence is promising but not yet conclusive. But it's a bit pointless going round that circular debate again with the shills who won't even consider anything beyond the mainstream narrative)

[ollyollyoxenfree]

There are plenty of doctors who recommend IVM, but IMO the scientific evidence is promising but not yet conclusive. But it's a bit pointless going round that circular debate again with the shills who won't even consider anything beyond the mainstream narrative



There are no credible clinicians who recommend ivermectin outside of clinical trials.
There is no robust evidence for it's use in preventing or treating COVID, including long COVID.

I must have responded to 30+ of your claims now about the ivermectin literature explaining why they are incorrect. You keep copying and pasting things that you clearly don't understand, and in the time it takes me to write out another comprehensive reply you add another abstract from a paper you clearly haven't read. Your last reply was just a predictable "but...you're talking horseshit!".

This is hardly being a "shill" or repeating the "mainstream narrative".

[IncredulousOne]

@Droite

So what's your evidence of long-term planning of covid, *@TruthHelps80*? And why are you so certain a pandemic cannot happen without planning?

There's plenty of genuine stuff out there (eg. Bill Gates' TED talk where he mentions reducing the world population, Event 201, the WEF Great Reset agenda "you will own nothing and you will be happy") that people can find and which, when read in a certain way, can lead to people (not entirely unreasonably) seeing a pattern and concluding it was planned. So I can see why some people think it is a conspiracy.

However, I don't personally think it's all planned (the government can't even plan the roadworks round here) but I do think that many individual actors (eg. pharma companies, governments, etc) have used the crisis to their own advantage (eg. Introduction of mRNA vaccine tech with no liability to pharma companies; laws passed curtailing freedom to protest that would never have been accepted in normal times, etc)

[IncredulousOne]

@ollyollyoxenfree

There are plenty of doctors who recommend IVM, but IMO the scientific evidence is promising but not yet conclusive. But it's a bit pointless going round that circular debate again with the shills who won't even consider anything beyond the mainstream narrative



There are no credible clinicians who recommend ivermectin outside of clinical trials.
There is no robust evidence for it's use in preventing or treating COVID, including long COVID.

I must have responded to 30+ of your claims now about the ivermectin literature explaining why they are incorrect. You keep copying and pasting things that you clearly don't understand, and in the time it takes me to write out another comprehensive reply you add another abstract from a paper you clearly haven't read. Your last reply was just a predictable "but...you're talking horseshit!".

This is hardly being a "shill" or repeating the "mainstream narrative".

You again? As you said to me ... "I don't owe you a reply"

After all I've already shown twice that you were speaking horsesh!t and making things up on the hoof

[ollyollyoxenfree]

Bill Gates' TED talk where he mentions reducing the world population

This nonsense again @IncredulousOne? It has been discussed and debunked to death.

//www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_innovating_to_zero/transcript

Bill Gates is talks about slowing population growth (which doesn't equal killing people) by providing better medical care, sanitation and access to contraceptive to developing countries, as it is well know that in countries with high infant mortality, families tend to have lots of children.

[ollyollyoxenfree]

After all I've already shown twice that you were speaking horsesh!t and making things up on the hoof

No - you've shown you don't have a good understanding of statistics nor do you understand epidemiological analysis.

There are no credible clinicians who recommend ivermectin outside of clinical trials.
There is no robust evidence for it's use in preventing or treating COVID, including long COVID.

[IncredulousOne]

@ollyollyoxenfree

Bill Gates' TED talk where he mentions reducing the world population

This nonsense again *@IncredulousOne*? It has been discussed and debunked to death.

//www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_innovating_to_zero/transcript

Bill Gates is talks about slowing population growth (which doesn't equal killing people) by providing better medical care, sanitation and access to contraceptive to developing countries, as it is well know that in countries with high infant mortality, families tend to have lots of children.

Duh. I never said it was about killing people. I said it was about reducing the world's population. In his TED talk he mentioned reducing the projected population from 9.8 billion to about 8.5 billion.

Do you want to try to debunk the WEF grate reset:

www.weforum.org/videos/the-great-reset-726dedeacb

Or do you want to try to debunk event 201:

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about

Will you please stop trolling me - my post makes it clear that I do not believe the "global it's-all-planned conspiracy theory". I was just responding to another poster's question about why people believe such things.

[ollyollyoxenfree]

Pointing out the issues and misinformation in your posts isn't trolling @IncredulousOne, and my replies can be deleted if people think they are.

[IncredulousOne]

So where was the misinformation in my previous two posts...?

[Can someone please tell me: is there an "ignore" button?]

[MrsLCSofLichfield]

I wish there was an 'ignore' button cause I'd sure as hell be using it on you, O --(In)credulousOne.

[knittingaddict]

It's always telling when people getting a hard time (for good reasons) accuse others of trolling because they disagree with them. It tells me that they've lost the argument and are aware of it. It's pretty much the last gasp.

[IncredulousOne]

@knittingaddict

It's always telling when people getting a hard time (for good reasons) accuse others of trolling because they disagree with them. It tells me that they've lost the argument and are aware of it. It's pretty much the last gasp.

It's always telling when someone is do intellectually vacuous that they need to comment with pointless and hominem attacks.

If you don't have anything relevant to add to the debate, why post pointless and hominem attacks?