Why are all the Covid conspiracy theory’s coming true?

[sunnnysideup]

Honest question?

[Zig27]

@hopeishere

Or why he is buying up as much farmland in the states as possible?

Why is he doing that though? I've not seen an explanation.

Hence the food shortages will start soon because there will be no access to farm land.

[IncredulousOne]

But I certainly don't unquestioningly swallow the MSM narrative (as should be obvious from my posts).

You only need to think back to lies about "weapons of mass destruction" which were used as a pretext for sending our soldiers to die in phony Tony's war (and kill 10's of thousands of Iraqi civilians...) to realise that our government will happily lie to further its own agenda, and that it's agenda does not have its citizens' welfare as its no.1 priority. You need only look at the way David Kelly was treated and the subsequent whitewash that was the Hutton report to know that the establishment will lie and obfuscate to protect itself. Why would anyone believe a word they say?

P.S. And, yes, the questions were rhetorical.

[IncredulousOne]

Hi TruthHelps80

I don't personally buy into the theory that it's a conspiracy by the "global elites", although I do understand why people can look at the evidence and come to that conclusion.

I do think a lot of organisations (big pharma, governments, etc) have decided "not to let a good crisis go to waste".

[hopeishere]

Or why he is buying up as much farmland in the states as possible?

Why is he doing that though? I've not seen an explanation.

[TruthHelps80]

@IncedulosOne Event 201. Perfect example. These people will spend all day arguing about it but I highly doubt they’ve watched either of the links you’ve provided.

[TruthHelps80]

All the questions you have written, that I’m happy to assume are rhetorical, dig a little deeper and you will find the answers to your rhetorical questions.
But you are blatantly someone who listens and believes everything you see on the news and other social media platforms.
One day, who knows in how many years time, when we are living in a fascist and dictatorial state, remember how you much you argued that our government, because governments never lie, the pharmaceutical industries, whose pockets get lined with every jab given, etc did all of this to help us. Help us? My god you could not be more wrong.
It’s because of people like you who refuse to question the narrative, such as an injection that does nothing, and simply stating that it significantly reduces infection etc, check the correct data beforehand because stating something does not make it true, and before you start arguing, check the correct data on hospitalisations regarding vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
It absolutely terrifies me just how ignorant and lazy you people are. You are being lied to and are swallowing it up so easily.
Have a great, probably masked which inhibits your oxygen intake and doesn’t help in any way, day.

[TruthHelps80]

Bill Gates is the devil incarnate! If you truly think this man is interested in anything other than lining his own pockets, wow, I’m stumped.

[TruthHelps80]

@IncredulousOne You’ve got me mixed up with the others! I’m on your side! I was just saying that Joe Rogan is one of the people who believes that we have all been completely lied to.
Believe me when I say I certainly do not listen to celebs! I listen to the truthful scientists and Drs that have risked everything by speaking out. Dr Vernon Coleman for example. One of many.
The people who believe everything the MSM tells them are lost causes. They are too lazy to do their own research and would rather abuse people by calling us names such as “anti vaxxers” etc.
I’ve had many vaccines in my life but what I struggle to get across to people is that unlike them, I refuse to be injected with something when it hasn’t been trialled yet, that nobody knows the long term effects of and is still in trials until 2023. I won’t be a guinea pig and I think a lot of these people are now starting to wake up and realise that they are the trial. But they feel foolish about being duped. Especially when the virus has a 99.7% survival rate.
As for Bill Gates. The devil incarnate. The man is a money grabbing whore and wants the world to be depopulated by any means. Doesn’t anyone question why a man who has dealt with computers is now being treated like a scientific dr? Or why he is buying up as much farmland in the states as possible? I’m not explaining things to people who should have the common sense to research it themselves. Him, along with Faucci and many more are profiting from these jabs as they have shares in the companies. If people really did their research properly, they would learn that this isn’t about a virus or a vaccine, this is all about control.
Unfortunately for the ones who tell me to get back down my rabbit hole, in the years to come when things really start to get even crazier, only then will they look back at what people said and realise we were right all along. By then, it will be too late.
Not all conspiracy theories are conspiracies.
They only need to take a look at what’s going on in Oz. But nope.
Easier to bury heads deep in the sand.

[TruthHelps80]

Look it up for yourself. I’m not here to tell you how to do your own research.

[IncredulousOne]

ollyolly, here you go again...

The vaccines significantly reduce infection and transmission.
And yet just a couple of days ago, you were claiming that no one ever said the vaccines prevented infection or transmission. Make up your mind!

I'm not shutting down anyone
Well, the last time I proved you were wrong, you told me "I don't owe you a response". That would seem to be "shutting down the debate" by most people's definition, I think.

[Squleamish]

@aboverubies7 - there's clearly a lot of sense behind a lot of what you're saying. Don't let MN rile you. People will post caricatures of "The Science" and "fact checks" by companies with laughable credentials (funded by Facebook, Google and other elements of the technocracy/organisations, and with huge pharma crossover), denounce swathes of clinicians overseas as "not credible, and deny the in-plain-sight ridiculousness of some of the stories being peddled to us. But you're not alone. Don't let it get to you. Hold your line; go outside; love and live

[Myalternate]

This thread was enlightening. Thank you for your concise and credible informative posts ollyollyoxenfree ...and your patience!
It will probably be removed soon so I just wanted to thank you 🙂

[knittingaddict]

I will take you at your word and ignore you now Incredulous.

[ollyollyoxenfree]

@IncredulousOne

I don't understand what the latest (incorrect) thing is that you think you've caught me out on is, or why you're so intent on saying I'm a troll.

As I said, the vaccines significantly reduce infection and transmission. There's robust, replicated evidence demonstrating this in all types of population worldwide.

I've never said otherwise so not sure what you're on about.

[ollyollyoxenfree]

@aboverubies7 run out of arguments, start the personal attacks eh?

there is no robust evidence to show the jab prevents contraction, transmission or reinfection.
The vaccines significantly reduce infection and transmission. There's robust, replicated evidence demonstrating this is all types of population worldwide.

there is no robust evidence that affirms the safety of the shots or refutes the significant risk of ADE yet here you are roleplaying as an internet epidemiologist, telling people otherwise.
This statement makes no sense. The benefits of vaccination clearly outweigh the risk of adverse events. Again, this is robust replicated finding.

But as you're someone so far down the rabbit hole you're claiming the vaccines are killing more people than lives being saved, I feel it's pointless even stating this (again). Why would governments be rolling out a vaccine in order to kill people? Why are the doctors, the scientists and those in power the people that have taken up vaccination?

heroes hard at work, waffling on mumsnet.
you seem to commit a huge amount of time to spreading nonsense, not sure why you're not putting yourself in this category?

why is it only doctors have a monopoly on these conversations? nobody understands, nobody is worthy of challenging your argument. you seem intent on shutting down debate.
Again - I'm not shutting down anyone, I reply, I provide info and I try and engage in discussion. It's difficult though when you swerve so quickly from one conspiracy theory to the next there's barely time to even attempt to to discuss.

[aboverubies7]

@ollyollyoxenfree

There are plenty of doctors who recommend IVM, but IMO the scientific evidence is promising but not yet conclusive. But it's a bit pointless going round that circular debate again with the shills who won't even consider anything beyond the mainstream narrative



There are no credible clinicians who recommend ivermectin outside of clinical trials.
There is no robust evidence for it's use in preventing or treating COVID, including long COVID.

I must have responded to 30+ of your claims now about the ivermectin literature explaining why they are incorrect. You keep copying and pasting things that you clearly don't understand, and in the time it takes me to write out another comprehensive reply you add another abstract from a paper you clearly haven't read. Your last reply was just a predictable "but...you're talking horseshit!".

This is hardly being a "shill" or repeating the "mainstream narrative".

there is no robust evidence to show the jab prevents contraction, transmission or reinfection.

there is no robust evidence that affirms the safety of the shots or refutes the significant risk of ADE yet here you are roleplaying as an internet epidemiologist, telling people otherwise.

heroes hard at work, waffling on mumsnet.

why is it only doctors have a monopoly on these conversations? nobody understands, nobody is worthy of challenging your argument. you seem intent on shutting down debate.

shill harder.

[IncredulousOne]

@MrsLCSofLichfield

I wish there was an 'ignore' button cause I'd sure as hell be using it on you, O --(In)credulousOne.

Please feel free to ignore me and not reply to any more of my posts. I'm sure we'll all miss your stunning intellect and erudite contributions to the actual substance of the debate...

Oh, and I see your and raise you

[IncredulousOne]

@knittingaddict

It's always telling when people getting a hard time (for good reasons) accuse others of trolling because they disagree with them. It tells me that they've lost the argument and are aware of it. It's pretty much the last gasp.

It's always telling when someone is do intellectually vacuous that they need to comment with pointless and hominem attacks.

If you don't have anything relevant to add to the debate, why post pointless and hominem attacks?

[knittingaddict]

It's always telling when people getting a hard time (for good reasons) accuse others of trolling because they disagree with them. It tells me that they've lost the argument and are aware of it. It's pretty much the last gasp.

[MrsLCSofLichfield]

I wish there was an 'ignore' button cause I'd sure as hell be using it on you, O --(In)credulousOne.

[IncredulousOne]

So where was the misinformation in my previous two posts...?

[Can someone please tell me: is there an "ignore" button?]

[ollyollyoxenfree]

Pointing out the issues and misinformation in your posts isn't trolling @IncredulousOne, and my replies can be deleted if people think they are.