Virus Passed On By Just A Few Seconds Exposure

[Flaxmeadow]

Why we should still be cautious? News report on how infectious.

Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) Tweeted: “NO MORE THAN MERE SECONDS” of exposure in 10-60 centimeters where one man triggers several #DeltaVariant infections with brief “fleeting” contact. Thousands of shoppers at NSW🇦🇺 mass tested. Delta called “near & present danger”.

HT @lizziepearl. #COVID19
t.co/NFg1RwMnVD twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1406779894785351688?s=20

@deydododatdodontdeydo

What else would you call 150,000 dead (actual numbers higher in fact)

Excess deaths for UK are lower than corona deaths. Odd that.
For most other countries they're higher.
Almost like we are over counting and they're under counting.
Also: 150k is not the usually accepted number - it's 128k.

Using the most up-to-date data, the total number of deaths involving COVID-19 in England and Wales is over 140,000 (140,289 registrations up to 11 June 2021).

Our data are based on deaths registered in England and Wales and include all deaths where “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)” was mentioned on the death certificate

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26

As at the 13th of June, there have been a total of 10,137 deaths registered in Scotland where the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) was mentioned on the death certificate. In the latest week there were 7 deaths, a decrease of 1 from the previous week.

www.nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/vital-events/general-publications/weekly-and-monthly-data-on-births-and-deaths/deaths-involving-coronavirus-covid-19-in-scotland

So, over 150K is correct.

Or do you think Drs are lying on death certificates?

@IrmaFayLear

But 21 people didn’t catch it at the shopping centre, they caught it from relatives who introduced it into the home.

Not all of them. Australia uses genomic tracing, and this, paired with CCTV footage, was able to link the cases.

Just lucky the U.K. has more immunity really isn’t it? God knows how Australia will get out of this until a vaccine is invested in 20 years time with 99% efficacy. Particularly if there are even more infectious variants.

The Ostriches are the ones who really believe that you can defeat an airborne virus with lockdowns

We will get out of it when everyone that wants a vaccine has had one. The borders will then gradually re-open, to safe countries first. I'm not expecting to see my mum in the UK until probably 2023. Yes some unvaccinated people will die, its inevitable, but in nowhere near the numbers the UK had. And in the mean time, apart from the lack of overseas travel, we have been leading pretty normal lives. We do know what is going on in the rest of the world, we watch the news. If calling us ostriches makes you feel better, that's fine. But I know where I'd prefer to be living right now, even though I do miss my family in the UK and Ireland. I just wish I could bring them here, where we don't even have to wear masks. (WA).

ATM. I'd rather be in the UK. Yes we've been hammered by the Delta variant recently but because our vaccinated numbers are so high, the deaths have been low and they've stayed low for a while now.

It's those countries yet to see a rise in the Delta variant and that have low vaccinated numbers that I'd rather not be in.

Oh well horses for courses. Australia has had 910 deaths in total, that;'s what I call a low death total. And I doubt we will have a large number of deaths to the Delta strain, currently there isn't a single Aussie in ICU, and that border isn't going to open any time soon, so I reckon we're doing just fine.

What a bizarre thread,

I'm English living in bondi, have been in self isolation for 8 days now as was deemed a close contact or the original 'limo man' after shopping in the same homewares dept of the dept store at the same time as him.

They have indeed confirmed the fleeting contact via cctv and genomic testing.

We haven't worn masks or been under any restrictions for a year. Life has been back to normal and lockdown seems a lifetime ago.

This is why when we do have a rate outbreak, our community are happy to step up and as Gladys would say 'do the right thing' get tested, stay at home if you are a close contact of an identified infectious person.

Everyone in my community has gone out, got tested, we are working from home if we can, everyone is grateful for their friends and neighbours supporting the suppression of this outbreak.

I have no doubt that in a couple of weeks from now we will be back to normal and all cases will be contained making it safe for the community to carry on in their normal lives.

Our contact tracing teams are working round the clock to catch all and any cases, we are all happy to do this because we know our government have the best interests of our citizens at the front of everything.

They have managed to keep the economy thriving, unemployment is lower that before the pandemic.

ATM. I'd rather be in the UK.

How very odd. In Aus, tiny amounts of community transmission, which are immediately jumped on. Therefore, minimal long covid, and very few deaths as pp said, in the last year plus of the pandemic. In the UK, v high death rates, millions with long covid, and delta about to explode...

I should have been clearer. I wasn't meaning any other country in particular

Feigl-DIng is basically the mirror image of the flu-truthers who thinks there are microchips in the vaccine.

He's a pretty loopy guy who is constantly posting dubious panic-porn on Twitter.

He's also a hypocrite. His son wasn't doing well with online school and Eric Feigl Ding and his wife Andrea Feigl Ding (who is Austrian) weren't keen on the amount of screentime involved. So the two of them decided that Andrea would go to Austria (her home country) and take their son with her, so that he could go to in^person school. Needless to say, Eric (who spends his time ranting on about how in-person school should be closed for ever and ever BECAUSE COVID) kept very quiet about this, but Andrea let it slip on another social media platform.

Feigl-DIng

It isn't really about him. It's more the link to the news story he posted on Twitter

I don’t think it’s ‘millions with Long Covid’ but yes, be nice to be living a normal life but the U.K. is starting to see results from mass vaccination so fingers crossed.

I hope we’ll be where US are very soon

Normal life (more normal anyway) and vaccinated

We’re close

Have t cases doubled in the last seven days in the uk?

@beingsunny cases are rising but hospital admissions and deaths are low. We are not trying for zero covid, we have to live with it now but vaccinations should keep cases mild for the most part.

@beingsunny

Have t cases doubled in the last seven days in the uk?

Are you in Aus, it probably sounds worse than it is

When cases become unlinked from hospitalisation as they are doing they are not the key metric

Hospitalisation is, so any change is based on that

We’re waiting to see what data are but so far seems encouraging for July 19

The case doubling time at the moment is estimated to be around 16 days

Have t cases doubled in the last seven days in the uk?

The cases are rising but death numbers are low and stable and have been for a while.

The areas that saw large numbers, Blackburn, Bolton etc, a few weeks ago are coming down.

The vaccine programme seems to be working well.

@Poorlykitten

I don’t think it’s ‘millions with Long Covid’ but yes, be nice to be living a normal life but the U.K. is starting to see results from mass vaccination so fingers crossed.

I read today there were 2 million with long covid in the UK. Can't remember where. Elsewhere, 1.1 million. Either way, not an insignificant number. But after the fresh wave, I expect there will naturally be more.

@Flaxmeadow I'm so pleased to hear that!

All my family and friends have struggled up there with the endless lockdowns, we are watching with interest as to how the vaccinated hold up against this.

There is great pressure on the government here to increase vaccination rates. The narrative being that we wouldn't have to be coping with the restrictions we currently are if we had more of the population vaccinated.

Each state premier is managing this differently and I feel lucky to be in NSW.

Gladys is very reluctant to call lockdowns, and it's very much a last resort and is putting more expectation on the community to play their part.

@MarshaBradyo yes I'm in aus, living through the current bondi outbreak.

Just in time for school holidays which start on Friday

The studies on long covid seem to vary enormously in number and have not yet been properly verified. While it’s a terrible thing, post viral problems are not a new thing and very common sadly,

[quote beingsunny]@MarshaBradyo yes I'm in aus, living through the current bondi outbreak.

Just in time for school holidays which start on Friday [/quote]
Good luck I have no doubt Aus did the right thing for them, it’s worked well, my parents and siblings are in one if the states tray really have had zero Covid for a long time. I joke with them they couldn’t have picked a better place for a pandemic (moved there 30 years ago so prob not a consideration;)

It’s interesting that NSW doesn’t lockdown as easily but Melb has had a tougher ride. But yes overall, as waiting rooms go (post vaccination) Aus has had a nicer one than us

Oh, here it is:

More than 2 million adults in England have experienced coronavirus symptoms lasting over 12 weeks, government data suggests – double the previous estimate for long Covid.

The study, one of the largest to date, found that people with ongoing symptoms tended to fall into two categories: those with respiratory symptoms, who often experienced more severe illness when they first got sick, and a second group with fatigue-related symptoms.

Like previous studies, it found that women were more commonly affected and that the prevalence of ongoing symptoms increased with age. Researchers described the findings as “alarming”.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/24/more-than-2m-adults-in-england-have-had-long-covid-for-over-12-weeks-study

beingsunny

The lockdowns haven't been as bad as some make out on here, and I say that as someone in the North of England, where numbers are always high and we have had high tier restrictions

There is a lot of complaining and "I can't take it anymore" on MN but i think much of it is an unexplainable concentration of the whinging Poms factor .

Though it has been tough at times, don't get me wrong, it has for a lot of people but most here in the UK see it as something we just have to get on with.