Virus Passed On By Just A Few Seconds Exposure

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Why we should still be cautious? News report on how infectious.

Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) Tweeted: “NO MORE THAN MERE SECONDS” of exposure in 10-60 centimeters where one man triggers several #DeltaVariant infections with brief “fleeting” contact. Thousands of shoppers at NSW🇦🇺 mass tested. Delta called “near & present danger”.

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@MarshaBradyo I think it's also been a bit of bad luck in Melbourne, different styles of living, one country but different people in different states.

I've friends in Melbourne, they've had a tough time for sure.

Nsw has a strong reputation for avoiding lockdown and the messages from Gladys are very much come together and support each other, do the right thing and we can get past this quickly.

It worked because for the most part we really have lived normal lives so those short sharp restrictions seem like a small price to pay.

Other states definitely have a different position, and are very quick to shut borders and enforce quarantine.

I think qLD have said anyone returned from NSW has to go into hotel quarantine if they have been in any of our red zones today. Seems excessive.

Beingsunny some like lockdowns more than others ;

It’s been tough - just like it was in Melbourne and just as my friends there found it hard

Some really go on about whinging Pom stuff but they’re just weirdly against own country - I’m dual citizen half life here and there and the difference wrt dealing with lockdowns and a year like we’ve had would pretty much be the same

MarshaBradyo

some like lockdowns more than others

I've never met or seen anyone say on here that they "enjoy lockdown". Why do you keep saying this?

It’s been tough - just like it was in Melbourne and just as my friends there found it hard

Some really go on about whinging Pom stuff but they’re just weirdly against own country

I'm from the UK and it was a joke Marsha

Ok if you say so re joke but I couldn’t underestimate the damage of repeated lockdowns

If people say they’ve found them hard it’s because they have. I have no issue with admitting that.

I think it depends on your circumstances, we had I thing an 8 week lockdown last year in March, tbh it was hell, I'm a single parent, with no family here and was working a very demanding contract role plus trying to homeschool an reluctant 7/8 yo.

I'd do anything not to have to return to that situation, the only upside was when I was let go from my job. I was able to support my son with schooling and he refers to it as the best time of his life I only remember me crying a lot and drinking in the afternoons

Some of my family in the uk coped very well, and some friends didn't, we talk regularly and I'm the first to say I really can't relate to what they have been through for what amounted to about a year of staying at home.

People seem to think it's the uk way or the aud way but there was so much more in between that, I do feel that Boris et al did do the British a huge disservice and they are sadly having to deal with that.

I’ve argued this too many times now but whilst I think Aus did the right thing - of course they did! look at the last year in comparison - I’m unconvinced that we could have done the same. Maybe that’s why I’m not comparing to Aus / NZ as much as others.

Overall my circumstances aren’t too bad, wfh etc but a three year old in lockdown became hard and then two terms homeschool for older

Lockdown makes me shudder more than other click bait stuff that is in the media

The uk absolutely couldn't have done what we did here, but they could have taken some measures.

They should have introduced hotel quarantine when numbers were low and they should have restricted holiday travel.

The age old argument of all our food comes by lorry from Europe could have been managed if they wanted.

It's done now and I hope for everyone that the amazing job done on vaccinations will mean the death toll drops and remains low.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing as they say but I feel so sad for the year lost for may of my family and friends when there could have been better management of the situation

I’m really surprised people are surprised by the fleeting contact thing. This is predominantly an airborne disease, it always has been. There may be more individuals with a higher viral load with the the Delta variant, but it’s main method of spread remains the same.

This is why I found the South Korean Starbucks cluster from last year where a female customer infected 27 others customers, many of whom were in the same space only briefly, so concerning.

@beingsunny

The uk absolutely couldn't have done what we did here, but they could have taken some measures.

They should have introduced hotel quarantine when numbers were low and they should have restricted holiday travel.

The age old argument of all our food comes by lorry from Europe could have been managed if they wanted.

It's done now and I hope for everyone that the amazing job done on vaccinations will mean the death toll drops and remains low.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing as they say but I feel so sad for the year lost for may of my family and friends when there could have been better management of the situation

Ok but I’m not sure if you mean limiting cases to Aus levels as you talk about hotel quarantine and lorries

You can only have a more normal life if you get to Aus levels otherwise cases get in and spread exponentially

Limiting those, esp food delivery is very hard (how?) so you need the subsequent benefit - ie normal life

It can’t just about work - not sure if I understood did you mean limiting cases but still getting some each week coming in?

Sorry when I talk about managing quarantine the gov could have implemented that. The government paid for that in the beginning and then after July 2020 made that a cost for the visitor/returning resident.

I wonder what all the necessary travel actually was for? Did all that European travel need to happen? Many countries as well as Australia managed to continue without it, obviously there are exceptions which could be applied for but that would hav been a small figure.

The process of managing imports via road could also have been managed by implementing new processes, obviously this would have been costly but surely less costly than the year of furlough costs which then wouldn't have been needed.

Beingsunny I think if you do lorries / hotel quarantine it does have to get the end result which is the same as Aus

It has to be really strict so you get the normal life benefit otherwise if you get leaks then it’s what you’re going through now (or Melb situation) either a lot more often or it spreads exponentially once in

It was your first line that threw me as I think that if you do above it would have to have same result

I was having the lorries discussion with an Australian rel who suggested that we just shouldn't allow the foreign drivers to leave their cabs while in the UK and presumably British drivers shouldn't leave theirs while on the Continent. As we talked on I realised that he was visualising the beautiful well-equipped Australian land-trains in which the drivers could live for days. A short while spent on the hill above Dover shows pouring off the ferries, vast numbers of small trucks which can hardly make it up the hill, and are far from being equipped with food, cooking facilities, somewhere to sleep and toilet facilities.

In order to make a difference we would have had to change the majority of our food supply within days, certainly a week or two. I just can't see how that would be possible at any price - it's not as if we have loads of lorries available to transfer foreign lorries' loads to at the dock. Much of the food would deteriorate if it was taken to centres to be packed into shipping containers, even if containers and trucks to transport them here, were available.

@amicissimma

I was having the lorries discussion with an Australian rel who suggested that we just shouldn't allow the foreign drivers to leave their cabs while in the UK and presumably British drivers shouldn't leave theirs while on the Continent. As we talked on I realised that he was visualising the beautiful well-equipped Australian land-trains in which the drivers could live for days. A short while spent on the hill above Dover shows pouring off the ferries, vast numbers of small trucks which can hardly make it up the hill, and are far from being equipped with food, cooking facilities, somewhere to sleep and toilet facilities.

In order to make a difference we would have had to change the majority of our food supply within days, certainly a week or two. I just can't see how that would be possible at any price - it's not as if we have loads of lorries available to transfer foreign lorries' loads to at the dock. Much of the food would deteriorate if it was taken to centres to be packed into shipping containers, even if containers and trucks to transport them here, were available.

Hahahaha at the idea of foreign drivers not being allowed to leave their cabs whilst in the UK. Clearly this is from an Aussie who didn't see the UK news at the end of last year.

How on earth would you manage this?

If you stop drivers at Dover, where do you put them? You can't just ship them back immediately to France without allowing them chance for food or drink / sleep / toilet facilities. You still need facilities and thats where the hazard lies as people mix and the virus can linger in the air for a while after you've left (I'm sure people have seen an Eric tweet about this. There was one).

Where would we put containers ready to be picked up? We already had an issue with ports full of containers during the pandemic and not enough people to pick them up in both directions.

How does this work with getting food to outside the South East promptly too?

Do you have British drivers sitting in hotel rooms waiting to pick up cargo too?

Thats definitely the thoughts from someone from another planet.

But yet, RedToothBrush, we see plenty of posts on here saying we should close our borders, even we should have closed our borders in Feb 2020, then we could be like Australia. We could make 'other arrangments' to get food, medicine etc in.

I'd love someone who thinks this to provide a good detailed, realistic description of how all this would be done.

No. Those posts talk about non essential travel, so separate from imports and exports.

France isn't like Australia. Many thousands of lorries go to and from UK and France. That didn't stop France restricting non essential travel from high risk countries like the UK.

We could make 'other arrangments' to get food, medicine etc in.

I've not seen a single post from any poster suggest this. Non essential travel, on the other hand.

@amicissimma

But yet, RedToothBrush, we see plenty of posts on here saying we should close our borders, even we should have closed our borders in Feb 2020, then we could be like Australia. We could make 'other arrangments' to get food, medicine etc in.

I'd love someone who thinks this to provide a good detailed, realistic description of how all this would be done.

These people are, to put it bluntly - fuckwits.

There isn't really a lot other than that to say or any other way to describe them, if they are British. Its not as if its a topic of conversation we haven't come across in recent years in this country.

I kind of despair on the subject of supply chains and supply shock. I have talked about it far too much.

I'm kinda done with trying to be polite about it tbh.

@Tealightsandd

No. Those posts talk about non essential travel, so separate from imports and exports.

France isn't like Australia. Many thousands of lorries go to and from UK and France. That didn't stop France restricting non essential travel from high risk countries like the UK.

Define non essential.

In order for essential travel to be viable you have to have a certain amount of travel services available...

Even then, Australia has gone down this route with a less movement of people than would be necessary for the uk and its still proving problematic.