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Virus Passed On By Just A Few Seconds Exposure

243 replies

Flaxmeadow · 21/06/2021 06:48

Why we should still be cautious? News report on how infectious.

Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) Tweeted: “NO MORE THAN MERE SECONDS” of exposure in 10-60 centimeters where one man triggers several #DeltaVariant infections with brief “fleeting” contact. Thousands of shoppers at NSW🇦🇺 mass tested. Delta called “near & present danger”.

HT @lizziepearl. #COVID19
t.co/NFg1RwMnVD twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1406779894785351688?s=20

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Tealightsandd · 21/06/2021 17:50

If someone hasn't got in first, I'm trademarking that for my t-shirt and tattoo range. The Adult Toddlers of Tantrum.

MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2021 17:52

Somehow I think you’ll be the first

unwuthering · 22/06/2021 02:15

Premier Gladys Berejiklian added the encounter was "scarily fleeting".

"Literally people not even physically touching each other but fleetingly coming into the same airspace has seen the virus transfer from one person to another," the Premier said.

"That's how contagious it is."

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-22/covid19-cctv-footage-worrying-nsw-health-authorities/100231832

NannyAndJohn · 22/06/2021 04:16

@IrmaFayLear

some posters have a very political position, which involves wanting societal destruction at any cost. Therefore any good move (eg vaccines) must be rubbished and the phrase “laughing stock of entire world” repeated at every opportunity. If they are asked what they do want, they can’t/won’t answer because the truth is that they see this pandemic as an opportunity .
I have answered this multiple times already.

I want low-level restrictions to be reintroduced while we continue vaccinating, to prevent the NHS from becoming overwhelmed, to prevent deaths, to prevent our children from getting Long Covid, to prevent new Variants emerging, and to prevent another lockdown.

I do not want the government to stick their heads in the sand until everything has gone tits up, leaving no other option but another lockdown.

Unfortunately we're heading for the latter.

nither · 22/06/2021 05:59

A previous poster wants to be like America in starting to open up. Except that we're not like them. We didn't take the suppression and containment measures they did.

I had to explain to my friend in Florida what track and trace is after I mentioned being hounded 3 times in Costa. Having worked in Panera for the last year, she was genuinely amused. And then sympathetic. And then a bit... what's the word you like to use again... no, she was never actually horrified because she's not a loon.

Schools closed for a year

Not true. Many states used a levels system to dictate if fully open / hybrid / home. There is also the anecdotal evidence that all three of my colleague's children were in structured lessons with teachers, being taught, all day, all week, when they were home, allowing parents to continue to work as close to full time as possible. This was certainly not the case with my school where we were given a worksheet and expected to teach our own children with one mass drop in teams session a day, at most. I for one perhaps wouldn't have been calling for schools to reopen if it was clear children were actually getting an education and parents at least had the opportunity to work. Daycare was open full time in many states after the initial stay at home orders were lifted.

Masks worn outside

Hmmm... not really though? Even when it was mandated by states in areas of rising cases there were exceptions. It wasn't until Biden was elected that masks were mandated federally (on public transport).

Borders shut to high risk countries like the UK.

Their policy is arguably better than the UK which exempts almost all business travel from tracing and quarantine, yes, but you can go to the US Department of State website and see the list of exemptions. Immigrants, fiancés, students, academics, journalists, those providing support to critical infrastructure or supply chain or significant economic activity, those providing care for a US citizen, amongst others, and family members accompanying for any of those reasons. One of the few differences is the UK has a blanket exemption for "anyone who regularly travels for work".

As you might have gathered from my post, the United States is indeed made up of different states, each of them with their own governments, so it's almost impossible for these blanket statements to resemble fact.

Kind of like how the United Kingdom is made up of four countries, three of them with their own elected governments, so it's almost impossible for blanket statements like "We're an island nation" to be in any way helpful in discussions surrounding Zero Covid in comparison with New Zealand.

They're not laughing at us btw. Laughing, no. Horrified, yes.

Which is fair enough as we're all entitled to an opinion, but a friendly word of warning that nearly all of my American friends (Democrats) have gone from wishing they were in a European country at the start to thankful they're in America now. And not because they are horrified by death rates or anything, they're glad they've got their lives back and have had the most important aspects of their lives back for some time. There is still time for your horrified friends, who are going to have to open up eventually, to change their minds.

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 06:16

Unfortunately we're heading for the latter.

Based on your maths again I suppose.

Given your hyperbole below I wonder if you have considered k in any of this.

That’s another issue this is an outlier event yet the Covid doom delighted swamp onto it as they do.

unwuthering · 22/06/2021 06:25

Maybe there should be a separate Covid board for ostriches.

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 06:28

@unwuthering

Maybe there should be a separate Covid board for ostriches.
I know you’re desperate for your Doom version.

But no people will point out dodgy maths and doom mongering. Tough

unwuthering · 22/06/2021 06:31

I know you’re desperate for your Doom version.

You now me personally!? I'm actually kind of for reality.

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 06:32

@unwuthering

I know you’re desperate for your Doom version.

You now me personally!? I'm actually kind of for reality.

No thankfully

But if you think mentioning k number of Covid is ostrich then I doubt you are for reality.

unwuthering · 22/06/2021 06:53

But if you think mentioning k number of Covid is ostrich then I doubt you are for reality.

What?

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 06:56

@unwuthering

But if you think mentioning k number of Covid is ostrich then I doubt you are for reality.

What?

Read the thread look up k and then you’ll be less likely to post ‘ostriches’ which adds sod all.
unwuthering · 22/06/2021 07:13

It amazes me how you manage to be so belligerent on this topic.

It clearly somehow offends you that this is the current reality humanity is dealing with. It is also clear you would prefer that everyone keeps to your (invisible) guidelines when posting on the coronavirus board, and only posts 'facts' you consider desirable.

I'd call that the ostrich stance - but to be clear, I didn't actually have you in particular in mind when I made that musing statement. I hadn't actually studied your many, many posts on this thread at all, although I did note a number slapping others down.

I meant, really, how peaceful would it be if all the "I'm not a conspiracy theorist but" people and all the ones who shout "I've had enough!" as if that will make it all stop, and so on, had a board of their own there they could discuss the latest video from the latest quack in earnest tones and mutter darkly about the "doom mongers" on the main board, etc. Two alternate realities quietly co-existing. I think that would be nice.

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 07:15

I find your post more belligerent.

You had nothing to add but do the ostrich line.

It adds nothing.

As posters pointed out we have real world data on Delta. If it was this transmissible all the time we’d know. We are also testing mass events now.

That’s why it’s not burying head in sand or ostrich as you so charmingly put it to not over react to this as others are.

unwuthering · 22/06/2021 07:18

The royal we! Pop a line to the premier of NSW and tell her she and her chief health officer are silly billies and you know better than them, then.

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 07:19

@unwuthering

The royal we! Pop a line to the premier of NSW and tell her she and her chief health officer are silly billies and you know better than them, then.
We the U.K.

Are you really this er difficult

What an odd response

unwuthering · 22/06/2021 07:21

We the U.K.

Oh, of one mind... I don't think so.

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 07:23

@unwuthering

We the U.K.

Oh, of one mind... I don't think so.

Ok have a think about if this were the case more than an outlier situation what we’d be seeing here with transmission

I can’t help you if you want to fight a non argument for the sake of it.

MarshaBradyo · 22/06/2021 07:26

Also google k to see the way Covid transmits

Quartz2208 · 22/06/2021 07:38

I think it depends on who is sticking their head in the sand though doesnt it - those who think it is showing no more lockdown and those who want to keep on going until there is Zero Covid.

Becaue the latter isnt going to happen. We are going to have to accept a risk of long covid and of dying from Covid as yet another risk of life. That is very clear. Alongside this there is I think a certain amount of deaths and severe illness that the Government is also willing to accept.

It is clear from hearing Boris Johnson talk that the Delta variant isnt going to end us up in Lockdown. The figures have been show and the effects of delaying to the 19th July was seen as outweighing the costs.

Does that mean there wont be another lockdown - no I think it is fairly clear that it mutants so easily that to say there wont be a mutation that has vaccine escape is impossible. There is a chance - it would I think depend on how much and the impact and who you needed to roll it out too. But neither is that inevitable.

So NannyJohn with

I want low-level restrictions to be reintroduced while we continue vaccinating, to prevent the NHS from becoming overwhelmed, to prevent deaths, to prevent our children from getting Long Covid, to prevent new Variants emerging, and to prevent another lockdown.

The 19th July was to allow for continued restrictions to increase vaccination. But in your hopes I think as long as the first (NHS) is controlled the others are going to have to become a risk we all have to deal with. We can of course not fully prevent another lockdown due to variants but I guess we will see.

It has always been a balancing exercise and I think now we are going to have to balance living with it and the risks that involves.

I am fully aware that the chances of me getting away on my holiday abroad at the end of August is probably 10%. I am still planning on it. Why not - I live in hope until told otherwise. I am also aware that things could happen that puts me in lockdown but why live like that.

The scary reality I think is that NO ONE knows what path this is going to follow and I think for some thinking it is going to be the most negative path is a way of handling it because the truth is this is all unknown. Not one persons predictions have all come true.

That is what we currently have to live with - the complete unknown as to what is actually going to happen. So for some of us it is better to live in hope than fear

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 22/06/2021 07:39

The Bondi cluster is now up to 21 people, with more close contacts expected to increase this number.

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/22/nsw-covid-update-sydney-mask-rules-extended-after-spike-in-bondi-outbreak-cases

Quartz2208 · 22/06/2021 08:03

Superspreader events via droplets have always occured - anyone remember the Italian marathon man? It just seems that this one is easier but that would make sense.

bumblingbovine49 · 22/06/2021 08:22

I imagine the person who was the original case is a super spreader. We already know that the R0 for Covid is an average so some people infect multiple tens of people and some don't infect anyone. It has always been suspected that masks in public places reduce the average infection rate a bit because of cases like this. I find it fascinating that we can confirm actual individual infection events in this way. It does mean Australia and NZ are incredibly vulnerable to a big outbreak until they are all vaccinated, but then again they knew this anyway. Hence the forensic tracking of how individual cases are spreading. This is proper test and trace in action. It can only happen when cases are incredibly low

I don't think it is anything to worry unecessarily about in the UK but it will s fascinating ( to me anyway)

IrmaFayLear · 22/06/2021 08:23

But 21 people didn’t catch it at the shopping centre, they caught it from relatives who introduced it into the home.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 22/06/2021 08:55

What else would you call 150,000 dead (actual numbers higher in fact)

Excess deaths for UK are lower than corona deaths. Odd that.
For most other countries they're higher.
Almost like we are over counting and they're under counting.
Also: 150k is not the usually accepted number - it's 128k.

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