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Virus Passed On By Just A Few Seconds Exposure

243 replies

Flaxmeadow · 21/06/2021 06:48

Why we should still be cautious? News report on how infectious.

Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) Tweeted: “NO MORE THAN MERE SECONDS” of exposure in 10-60 centimeters where one man triggers several #DeltaVariant infections with brief “fleeting” contact. Thousands of shoppers at NSW🇦🇺 mass tested. Delta called “near & present danger”.

HT @lizziepearl. #COVID19
t.co/NFg1RwMnVD twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1406779894785351688?s=20

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Quartz2208 · 21/06/2021 16:20

Its not more infectious in Australia that doesnt change it is just that the population there hasnt seen much of either of the other variants so it appears more infectious

Jocasta2018 · 21/06/2021 16:32

Love the idea of a fixed position of fatigue. Kinda sums it up.

looptheloopinahulahoop · 21/06/2021 16:45

We're the laughing stock of the entire world

Yeah right. Why do so many MNers think that the rest of the world is so interested in the UK?

Nobody gives a toss except for a few journalists who are paid to find stories to write about, and a few ex-pats.

I Don't Like This Sort of Capitalisation Either. It Looks Like A US Newspaper.

nothing wrong with US newspapers but I don't like all the capital letters.

Tealightsandd · 21/06/2021 16:55

Don't bother OP. You can see why we're the high risk country that others, most recently Ireland, are restricting entry from (obviously that doesn't affect genuinely essential travel - like the import and export lorries, that some people love to deliberately confuse with non essential journeys).

People here prefer to scream about 'scaremongering' rather than take action to contain Covid. They've spent the past year tantruming, when instead we could have spent the time and energy on suppression.

It's always been a highly contagious airborne disease, even before the more transmissible Delta strain. It was obvious at the beginning, when China had people in hazmat gear disinfectant spraying the streets (up and down).

A previous poster wants to be like America in starting to open up. Except that we're not like them. We didn't take the suppression and containment measures they did. Schools closed for a year, masks worn outside, borders shut to high risk countries like the UK.

We can't have our cake and eat it. We can't foot stamp about what other countries are doing now, when we didn't do what they did to get to that stage.

So here we are. Now we have MPs queuing up to tell us they want to let the bodies pile up. Gove is the latest. So that's the UK. Many more avoidable deaths, increasing numbers of long term disabled from Long Covid. And - ongoing status as a high risk region.

MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2021 16:57

@looptheloopinahulahoop

We're the laughing stock of the entire world

Yeah right. Why do so many MNers think that the rest of the world is so interested in the UK?

Nobody gives a toss except for a few journalists who are paid to find stories to write about, and a few ex-pats.

I Don't Like This Sort of Capitalisation Either. It Looks Like A US Newspaper.

nothing wrong with US newspapers but I don't like all the capital letters.

God only knows but they are utterly obsessed with it being the case.
Tealightsandd · 21/06/2021 17:00

Oh and Australia is getting there with vaccinations. Slower than us, yes, and it varies depending on the state, but they don't have the same urgent need to rush that we do. What with us being a very high risk country.

One of my family members (in their 40s) had their second jab on Saturday. Pfizer on the 3 week dosing schedule. Another has just had their first. Meanwhile their everyday lives are pretty much normal. They're not laughing at us btw. Laughing, no. Horrified, yes.

MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2021 17:01

Watching with horror

That other one. It’s all some do on here re Brazil and India apparently so they must do in Aus and NZ too.

Quartz2208 · 21/06/2021 17:06

Tealightsandd that is the whole point of this thread that the DElta variant is much much harder to control with the measures that Australia had very successfully in place before so actually it should be prompting a

Also as I have said before the US closed its borders to India AFTER us. It closed it down to the UK, China and Schengen Area back in March 2020 due to us being the first ones to get it. Brazil followed. You can still travel via Afghanistan and Pakistan for example.

And the US states vary in terms of how they have handled it and in terms of their vaccine uptake. But with the Delta variant on the rise and with vaccinations stalling and unlikely to hit the 70% mark before us they are not in that much better a position.

We did not handle it very well at the start that much is true but you seen to be blinkered about how well everyone else has done in comparison

Tealightsandd · 21/06/2021 17:10

@MarshaBradyo

Watching with horror

That other one. It’s all some do on here re Brazil and India apparently so they must do in Aus and NZ too.

Not just Aus and NZ. Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, South Korea, and many others.

Btw our death rate is higher than India's.

Of course they're watching with horror. That's what tends to happen when it's a horror show.

What else would you call 150,000 dead (actual numbers higher in fact), many more long term disabled with Long Covid, and a badly damaged economy (the result of failed containment).

Long Covid alone is a simmering horror show. We don't know everything about it yet (what with it being caused by a new disease - one that's possibly genetically modified and escaped from a lab). We do know that it can cause heart, lung, kidney, or brain damage. It can also trigger diabetes, and cause hearing loss.

Then there's the impact of uncontained Covid on our healthcare system. The NHS is already looking at 5 year backlog. The government wants to add to that, by allowing more spread, more uncontained Covid. NHS staff have been hit particularly hard by Long Covid. Others are leaving due to PTSD from uncontained Covid. So now we have fewer staff to tackle the backlog on top of everything else.

Yep. A real horror show.

MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2021 17:11

I’d say people have their own issues.

On mn though there are a few that obsess over this.

I do wonder if they ever lived in another country and even get geographical differences or it’s all relative in Aus etc and that’s it.

Tealightsandd · 21/06/2021 17:11

We've been true whingeing Poms over the past 18 months.

The time and energy spent on tantrums and footstamping could have instead gone on containment and suppression measures.

What a shame.

MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2021 17:12

Lol I’d say you’re up there with the whinging yes! Relentless

Tealightsandd · 21/06/2021 17:17

And here comes the British exceptionalism.

Bingo!

Observation is different from whingeing.
Doesn't take much time either. Some of us are fast typers and good at multi tasking.
Grin

MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2021 17:19

Ah yes the third! Can’t forget that.

British Exceptionalism

That trifecta you really should get a tattoo / tshirt

Watching in horror
Laughing stock
British exceptionalism

Top whinger award to using all three.

RaspberryCoulis · 21/06/2021 17:23

And special lifetime achievement "geography dunce" award to numpties who trot out "BUT WE'RE AN ISLAND NATION".

Because we're not.

MrsLCSofLichfield · 21/06/2021 17:27

This thread is crazy.

MrsUnderkracker · 21/06/2021 17:28

What a bonkers thread

Quartz2208 · 21/06/2021 17:37

teaslightanddd so you are in fact saying that you think the UK death numbers are higher whilst at the same time saying that India's is lower and believeable.

I dont think anyone would deny that Covid has been a horror show but your belief that it somehow has been handled so badly by us that we are the worst in the world (we arent) that is the issue.

Some of the problems we have had with dealing with it are long term political and social ones no doubt. And we have made many mistakes but the idea that we are so much worse that you insist on bringing forward damages your many valid points

youshouldbeplotting · 21/06/2021 17:37

Crikey, some on this thread really are the Voices of Doom. I think they will be disappointed if all this results in anything less than End of Times. I thought i was a pessimist, but by comparison I am a regular Pollyanna.

Yes, things may get difficult again and we can't let our guard down too much, but we will get through it. The big advantages we have now are the vaccines and better treatments.

Flaxmeadow · 21/06/2021 17:39

Another difference between the USA and UK is that the Delta variant makes up 95% of cases in the UK ATM, and in the USA it's about 12% ATM

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Tealightsandd · 21/06/2021 17:39

@RaspberryCoulis

And special lifetime achievement "geography dunce" award to numpties who trot out "BUT WE'RE AN ISLAND NATION".

Because we're not.

Well if you mean NI, that hasn't stopped the ROI restricting entry from high risk countries - like the UK.

Maybe not a tattoo, but I'm up for the t-shirt. The phrases would be speech bubbles next to our MPs.

I'd have to expand the range:

Fucking hopeless.
Let the bodies pile up.
Ring of protection

Tealightsandd · 21/06/2021 17:40

@Flaxmeadow

Another difference between the USA and UK is that the Delta variant makes up 95% of cases in the UK ATM, and in the USA it's about 12% ATM
No doubt partly because their borders are restricted to high risk countries like the UK.
Flaxmeadow · 21/06/2021 17:42

The big advantages we have now are the vaccines and better treatments

Yes we've come a long way. I'm not a doom and gloom person. I can see that progress is being made. Not just with vaccines but with social distancing, track and trace, quarantined, lockdowns. We are getting better at finding the right way of dealing with it. What works and what doesn't

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Quartz2208 · 21/06/2021 17:46

More likely that it is such a huge Country that it varies state by state. Also the US isnt that fussed - it has enough vaccines to vaccinate all its over 12s that it needs and it isnt sequencing or testing so much.

The UK shut its border to India on the 22nd April - when do you think the US did @Tealightsandd?

Tealightsandd · 21/06/2021 17:48

@youshouldbeplotting

Crikey, some on this thread really are the Voices of Doom. I think they will be disappointed if all this results in anything less than End of Times. I thought i was a pessimist, but by comparison I am a regular Pollyanna.

Yes, things may get difficult again and we can't let our guard down too much, but we will get through it. The big advantages we have now are the vaccines and better treatments.

The (adult) Toddlers of Tantrum are what make The End of Times more likely (and climate change).

Dealing with the problem, doing what needs to be done, taking measures to suppress and contain is what stops us suffering from doom.

We're doing so well with the vaccines, yes. Which is what makes it even more frustrating. To throw away our advantage, take one step forwards but then two giant strides back. We really don't need another UK strain. We don't want to risk a possibly vaccine resistant variant mutating amongst the un or semi vaccinated.

All we need to do is suppress and contain until we get the majority (80-90%) fully vaccinated.

Biden and Macron have put their support behind the calls from countries including India and South Africa for a temporary vaccine patent waiver. If talks with the drugs companies go well, that would help immensely to speed up vaccination around the world.