Virus Passed On By Just A Few Seconds Exposure

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Why we should still be cautious? News report on how infectious.

Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) Tweeted: “NO MORE THAN MERE SECONDS” of exposure in 10-60 centimeters where one man triggers several #DeltaVariant infections with brief “fleeting” contact. Thousands of shoppers at NSW🇦🇺 mass tested. Delta called “near & present danger”.

HT @lizziepearl. #COVID19
t.co/NFg1RwMnVD twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1406779894785351688?s=20

Ha Alice

That’s the thing so many jump on this and get all excited / worried / need to change things

When it doesn’t mean anything here

I actually have time for Eric Feigl-Ding BUT

He actively seeks out and finds the most extreme examples he can to scare the shit out of people.

He never talks about how representative these cases are - whether this is a common thing or a freak incident (and yes this is highly relevant.

And he frequently doesn't put things in to context so they look considerably worse than they are (a sizeable amount of the British Data he's put up has fallen into this category).

In this sense I find him both useful but utterly irresponsible at the same time.

He clearly has an agenda. He has been right about a few things but he doesn't know when he's gone too far and framed things in a fair and accurate way.

I am unconcerned by this.

Why is it always one extreme or the other?

People wanting to discuss data on how the delta variant differs from alpha or the original variant are NOT advocating lockdown .

Actually, the opposite. Knowing more about it and how it differs can help ensure we put the right restrictions in place to limit spread and keep things open.

It's already well known that whereas with the first variant it was common for one family member to get it and not pass it on (the k value thing), with Delta there is MUCH higher transmission and secondary attack rate within families living together.

It's important we know how K varies with this variant from previous variants. Or do we just want to 'wait and see' because that's worked out so well for us before?

I'd be really interested to know - for example - whether if you're on a crowded beach outside with delta you could catch it. It's pretty clear from last summer's data that with the original variant being outside meant transmission just really didn't happen. I hope there are studies looking at this and we're not just hoping for the best.

It's because I don't want lockdown again that I think investing in finding answers to questions such as these is really important.

@theemporerhasnoclothes

Why is it always one extreme or the other?

People wanting to discuss data on how the delta variant differs from alpha or the original variant are NOT advocating lockdown .

Actually, the opposite. Knowing more about it and how it differs can help ensure we put the right restrictions in place to limit spread and keep things open.

It's already well known that whereas with the first variant it was common for one family member to get it and not pass it on (the k value thing), with Delta there is MUCH higher transmission and secondary attack rate within families living together.

It's important we know how K varies with this variant from previous variants. Or do we just want to 'wait and see' because that's worked out so well for us before?

I'd be really interested to know - for example - whether if you're on a crowded beach outside with delta you could catch it. It's pretty clear from last summer's data that with the original variant being outside meant transmission just really didn't happen. I hope there are studies looking at this and we're not just hoping for the best.

It's because I don't want lockdown again that I think investing in finding answers to questions such as these is really important.

Does it have to be on a beach or will you look at recent big crowd tests. We’re already looking at this

It seems this example in Australia is true (genomic sequencing etc). So, it would suggest that KEEPING masks in shops is a good idea for now until more of the population is vaccinated. Surely this info is relevant to the current debate about whether to delay getting rid of all restrictions?

As people have correctly pointed out the man in question won't have been wearing a mask nor those he passed.

The huge increase in infection in school age children IMO suggests that getting rid of masks there was a bad idea (I know some schools have sensibly kept them).

Personally, I'd much rather we kept minimal restrictions like masks indoors now, with so much stuff open (schools, kids clubs, restaurants, gyms, theatres etc etc) rather than ditch it all too soon and then end up back in lockdown.

Anywhere outside of course!

Have any of the big crowd tests reported yet?

And hopefully they're repeating the tests / following up on big events and any change in transmission rates now we have mostly Delta. The ones I've heard about will have happened with the Alpha variant.

@theemporerhasnoclothes

And hopefully they're repeating the tests / following up on big events and any change in transmission rates now we have mostly Delta. The ones I've heard about will have happened with the Alpha variant.

They’re happening now? The football, tennis, Festival are all now when delta is dominant variant

@Heneage

Anything With That Many Capitals is Always Utter Bollocks.

Or from a certain previously banned poster...

I don't really care throughout the covid pandemic I've been fine have the jab and I've got a horrible raised red welt which appeared 8 days later I'm itchy have hives and feel rotten.

I'm not convinced by the "crowded beach " thing. I rememeber all the photos in the press but there wasn't any evidence ot increased then.

However if you think about the reality - even on a "crowded beach" you don't literally lie next a stranger, there is space between you!

I think walking on a busy footbpath brings you closer to far more people than a "crowded beach."

I think that it has already been discussed in the last year, that
they think that there are superspreading events and some people don't pass it on much at all. Interesting to find out if this is still the case with Delta.

I think it is important research, which can only be done in Aus due to their very low numbers. One to watch and decide whether keeping masks would be beneficial.

Fuck me. Just goes to show how deep in the mud we are with Delta about.

Thank goodness that due to Australia's Zero Covid strategy, they were able to trace the cases quickly.

Wear a mask.
Keep two metres apart.
Limit indoor mixing.

For some the ability to think really does go out the window when you Cap titles.

They’re happening now? The football, tennis, Festival are all now when delta is dominant variant

Are they following up with studies specific to any of these?

With the G7 there's been a spike but there's a lot of 'well it might be holidaymakers instead of the G7' going on because I don't think they've done proper follow up of those involved in the G7 alone.

It would be really interesting to find out what's more risky - passing nearby a number of people on a narrow coastal walk or lying 2m away from someone for hours on a beach. That would be a really interesting comparison if the data could be gathered somehow.

Up to now it's clear that being outside is hugely protective, I wonder about Delta. In India they had massive crowded political rallies which were outside, but whether there's data that these outdoor events fuelled the spread, I don't know.

@NannyAndJohn

Fuck me. Just goes to show how deep in the mud we are with Delta about.

Thank goodness that due to Australia's Zero Covid strategy, they were able to trace the cases quickly.

Wear a mask.
Keep two metres apart.
Limit indoor mixing.

Just shows a zero covid policy is a futile goal. It still got in and spread. Humans thinking they can outwit nature.

Just shows a zero covid policy is a futile goal. It still got in and spread. Humans thinking they can outwit nature.

Yeah, right. A handful of cases that are being monitored, after a leak from hotel quarantine / airline staff movements, versus 150,000+ dead.

I think it does show zero covid policy is futile. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't have hotel quaratine in Australia though, given the low levels of vaccination and their global location that makes it a viable policy.

As theemporerhasnoclothes says, why is it one extreme or another?

It is useful to know this is a possibility to know what you are dealing with. Thats where I find Eric Feigl-Ding useful for information gather - but not interpretation.

What would be more useful is to put this into context - how common is this, can you reduce this with simple measures (eg masks), what the level of vaccinations / population immunity is like compared to the UK, how much more delta is (I have seen that its 40% more transmittable outside - but again context - 40% of next to nothing isn't a lot more but sounds a lot more), is this sufficient reason to shut everything down in the UK again? Etc etc.

The UK isn't going for zero covid. Its been made clear this is the case and a zero covid policy isn't viable in the UK and probably isn't going to be in the long term for either Australia or NZ - and my thought is that its likely that in the coming months both government are going to have to gently explain this to their population. This isn't going to be either an easy nor simple thing to do. Even with vaccinations, they will face issues when the borders reopen.

@AnnaForbes

Eric Feigl-Ding is a shill. He campaigned heavily for school closures and then quietly relocated his family overseas so his son could continue enjoying school in person.

Similar to the us and them situation here.

Ignore him.

Can you ignore that Feigl-Ding retweeted this news article and focus on the news itself?

@RedToothBrush

I think it does show zero covid policy is futile. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't have hotel quaratine in Australia though, given the low levels of vaccination and their global location that makes it a viable policy.

As theemporerhasnoclothes says, why is it one extreme or another?

It is useful to know this is a possibility to know what you are dealing with. Thats where I find Eric Feigl-Ding useful for information gather - but not interpretation.

What would be more useful is to put this into context - how common is this, can you reduce this with simple measures (eg masks), what the level of vaccinations / population immunity is like compared to the UK, how much more delta is (I have seen that its 40% more transmittable outside - but again context - 40% of next to nothing isn't a lot more but sounds a lot more), is this sufficient reason to shut everything down in the UK again? Etc etc.

The UK isn't going for zero covid. Its been made clear this is the case and a zero covid policy isn't viable in the UK and probably isn't going to be in the long term for either Australia or NZ - and my thought is that its likely that in the coming months both government are going to have to gently explain this to their population. This isn't going to be either an easy nor simple thing to do. Even with vaccinations, they will face issues when the borders reopen.

This is the thing. It looks like this ease of transmission is possible with the Delta variant, but how likely is it actually? I would have thought the daily recorded case numbers here suggest it is not that likely. He posts something that certainly appears to be factual from the link, but then presents it in such a way to imply this is bound to happen all the time.

The UK isn't going for zero covid.

The UK, with one of the worst death tolls of the larger/former world leading countries, is obviously not and never was going for zero covid.

A zero covid policy was always going to be impossible without early border closures and effective and mandatory quarantine - instead there was Cheltenham and masses of Spanish soccer fans welcomed in, early on, when the time to close the gates was clear.

Instead, the UK has gone for geronticide, zigzagged back to suppression, and richoted here and there - always reacting substantially too late to make any real effect on the containment of the virus or the inevitable mutations that have seeded to the rest of the world, killing many thousands elsewhere.

It is nothing to be proud of.

@unwuthering

The UK isn't going for zero covid.

The UK, with one of the worst death tolls of the larger/former world leading countries, is obviously not and never was going for zero covid.

A zero covid policy was always going to be impossible without early border closures and effective and mandatory quarantine - instead there was Cheltenham and masses of Spanish soccer fans welcomed in, early on, when the time to close the gates was clear.

Instead, the UK has gone for geronticide, zigzagged back to suppression, and richoted here and there - always reacting substantially too late to make any real effect on the containment of the virus or the inevitable mutations that have seeded to the rest of the world, killing many thousands elsewhere.

It is nothing to be proud of.

Yep.

We're the laughing stock of the entire world.

We're the laughing stock of the entire world.

How much of your day do you spend laughing at Brazil and India? Or is it just the U.K. you like to laugh at

‘Watching with horror’

Usually goes with ‘laughing stock of the Entire world’ this time