All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

To be clear - this is evidence from scans of people where they had been scanned prior to the covid outbreak and showing that even those who were not seriously ill have brain changes.

I want to understand this before I will say confidently that Covid can't harm my children.

Do JCVI factor this in when they question whether it’s ethical to vaccinate children for benefit of others?

If it was an easy decision based on this level of risk it would happen.

@SpnBaby1967

So the stick that is Long Covid will be beating us all around the head forever more? such utter nonsense.

I had "Long Glandular fever" or post viral fatigue syndrome to use it's less woke term. 5 months not able to lift my head off a pillow, 18 months of rehab before I could return to work. 20 years on I still have lingering side effects, it was after having GF that I developed all my allergies including severe hayfever, it put my immune system through the floor so even now if there is a bug going round I will catch it. I caught covid, piece of piss!!

But I dont admonish our young for wanting to socialise incase they catch and spread GF because I have had a hideous experience with it.

Believe it or not, there are PVFS clinics "up and down the country too"

Yes, I had it from influenza. I know many who have it from other viruses who have been treated like shit for years, fobbed off, told they're insane, put on forced exercise regimes which are now known to be harmful, stripped of benefits as 'fit for work', etc etc. Now all of the sudden it's a reason to continue this type of existence. Ditto 'the vulnerable'. Had my child lived she would have been incredibly so for at least 2 years. It was our lookout, at no point did anyone expect the rest of the world to cater to it.

Funny how everyone's been just quite complacent about how much 'the vulnerable' have been utterly fucked over the past 12 years as long as it's not Covid.

on here so many ready for dc to take the biggest hit.

No, I'm keen to get a society where we have a vaccinated population who aren't draining NHS resources and are armed with comprehensive understanding of long Covid in children, so that my children don't continue to take hits. It's called a long term view.

My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days yes so was my niece it’s not an easy time for such children. However it pains in comparison to the tears and grief of little girl in our community who lost both parents to Covid within a three week period though.
Covid isn’t something we “learn to live with” we don’t just need to practise and try harder. We need herd immunity for the virus to run out of hosts. We are nearly there but not yet.

*pails

@PracticingPerson I agree. The one part of the response to Covid 19 in the UK to be a great success has been the vaccination programme. The one time that the medical and scientific recommendations have been followed to the letter.

@MyDcAreMarvel

My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days yes so was my niece it’s not an easy time for such children. However it pains in comparison to the tears and grief of little girl in our community who lost both parents to Covid within a three week period though. Covid isn’t something we “learn to live with” we don’t just need to practise and try harder. We need herd immunity for the virus to run out of hosts. We are nearly there but not yet.

How old were her parents?

Agree. Everyone I speak to agrees. When do we take control and say no more!

@osbertthesyrianhamster I'm sorry for all you're going through. But if you pick out one post about snowflakes from a whole thread and assume it's directed at you, I can't be help responsible for that. It was other posters who linked the two together.

Along with all your wishes, I'd like my DD to not be bedbound and not be severely mentally ill from a virus that people keep telling me has a 99.9% survival rate. I'd like for this pandemic to have been better managed so she didn't get Covid in the first place. I would also like to not be on the brink of a nervous breakdown myself and be wondering where we are going to get £12,000 for the treatment she needs to get her better.

I hope you find some light at the end of your tunnel soon.

Absolutely agree with you OP I can’t believe we’re still disrupting education now all the 99% of people likely to succumb to COVID have been fully vaccinated. I’m furious and will be raging if this continues into next academic year when all adults who want to have been fully vaccinated. That would be 3 fucked up years of education.

@deathbypostitnote

on here so many ready for dc to take the biggest hit.

No, I'm keen to get a society where we have a vaccinated population who aren't draining NHS resources and are armed with comprehensive understanding of long Covid in children, so that my children don't continue to take hits. It's called a long term view.

Why don’t we have a view in this after this length of time? Why do JCVI say Covid very low risk so that vaccination that is a tiny risk needs to be addressed against it

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/pfizer-nadhim-zahawi-health-secretary-government-matt-hancock-b940068.html

Vaccine supplies 'tight'.

That's for adults.

We definitely don't (yet) have enough to do children as well. Not in the UK.

Hopefully soon we will, so that we can catch up with other countries who are protecting their children (over 12s, at least). America, Israel, UAE, Singapore, many European countries etc.

To be clear - this is evidence from scans of people where they had been scanned prior to the covid outbreak and showing that even those who were not seriously ill have brain changes.

Covid is a nasty virus for sure. But like it or it’s here and it’s staying, we can’t go back to 2019. There is no magic bullet that will make it go away. If you stay in your house for 5 years it will be there when you come out. People need to accept and come to terms with that.

There is no point wittering on about ‘long Covid’ and ‘vaccine breakthrough’. It is what it is, simple as that.

@Daisy829

Agree. Everyone I speak to agrees. When do we take control and say no more!

Agree as well. We have no political party that agrees though. Labour supporting the government at every turn.

They are breaking our metal health, our children's future, and frankly the Tories have bankrupted the country with T&T, Nightingale and contracts to their friends.

I don't know what's more shocking, the Tories or the support from Labour.

Mutation pressures, variants and it's not been that long, Marsha.

I agree with the gist of what you say OP. But this...

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed.

This is doom and gloom wearing a different hat.

Absolutely agree.

And sick to death of hearing people pipe up with 'it's only a few more weeks!!' It's been 'only a few more weeks' for quite literally weeks on end!

I am truly, truly sick of it all and we need to crack on and get on with our lives.

@deathbypostitnote

Mutation pressures, variants and it's not been that long, Marsha.

Evidence long Covid has changed over time due to mutation?

You must have some from original v Kent by now.

@MarshaBradyo

To be clear - this is evidence from scans of people where they had been scanned prior to the covid outbreak and showing that even those who were not seriously ill have brain changes.

I want to understand this before I will say confidently that Covid can't harm my children.

Do JCVI factor this in when they question whether it’s ethical to vaccinate children for benefit of others?

If it was an easy decision based on this level of risk it would happen.

It is not quick to get proven medical data, everything is new and the government is not listening.

UK has not since the start and still is not using the precautionary principle.

It is apparent that a high percentage of parents do not care if there is a risk their children are made unwell, so the politicians have cover to take risks now and change approach later.

The JCVI should of course factor this in but it was published very recently - the data will lag behind the hypotheses. It is these hypotheses about the nature of Covid that have led countries like China and NZ to take much more care to protect people. It is bad times indeed when China cares more about its population's health than our government but they realised at the outset what a huge risk this virus was - and not just because of death, but also because of the long term damage to organs including the brain.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/

This is from America (which, as some of you have noticed is starting to open up - but has had schools closed for over a year, and so can't be comparable to our situation).

Almost half of children who contract covid-19 may have lasting symptoms, which should factor into decisions on reopening schools, reports Helen Thomson

A SERIOUS picture is emerging about the long-term health effects of covid-19 in some children, with UK politicians calling the lack of acknowledgment of the problem a “national scandal”.

Have you heard of the countries and states that have been fully opened? Florida and Texas ring a bell?

They will just point to their high vaccination rates (even though US is broadly similar to the UK on vaccine numbers).

Then they will point to the terrifying Delta variant (that the US also has but posters like to leave that out).

I'm just glad they can no longer get away with the whole "do you want society to COLLAPSE?????" or my personal favourite... "do you have any IDEA what would happen if 95% of the population got sick at once??"

Because, oh look, a society that has not collapsed.

And another one.

And another one.

I see the whole children being subjected to killing their loved ones is still going strong though. Can't have them all.

Yes I agree. We need to learn to live with it as we live with other illnesses .

We have herd immunity. Those who have had covid + those adults who have been vaccinated. The only thing that matters is that the elderly and high risk are vaccinated. The goal was to stop severe symptoms not eradicate covid because it’s impossible!

Not yet we don't. Not enough people are fully vaccinated yet. I am sure I read we need something like 70% of the population to have been double vaccinated, with some time (2-3 weeks) after for it to kick in,

At present a lot of adult have only had one vaccine, some of the younger ones have only become eligible to book this last week. It will be about another 10 weeks before all adults have had the chance to be double vaccinated.

The JCVI should of course factor this in

They will have more data than you can access. All the regulatory groups will. Scientists recognise this it’s just mners who think they have more.

@MarshaBradyo her mum was in her 40’s her dad in his 50’s, the girl was 11.