All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

@PandasCatsWolves

I've had enough of the Ive had enough threads !!

Yeah me too! Delicate snowflakes who can't cope. Tedious in the extreme!

'Living with it' doesn't just mean Other People dying from it.

It also means, for many people, living with long term disability. Long Covid can cause organ damage (heart, lung, kidney, brain), diabetes, and hearing loss. Children as well as adults are at risk. The government has recently opened 15 paediatric Long Covid clinics across the country, to treat child patients.

Hence why 'living with it' doesn't mean letting it spread freely, allowing new potentially vaccine resistant strains to mutate amongst the semi or unvaccinated, letting the bodies pile up.

Living with it means - until the majority (80-90%) are vaccinated - mitigation measures. Border control with real quarantine, working Test & Trace, and mask adherence.

[quote SweetsMum3]@ollyollyoxenfree

Have you heard of the countries and states that have been fully opened? Florida and Texas ring a bell?[/quote]
Texas is 3 times bigger than the UK. The UK is overpopulated. Florida is a tropical climate.

It's not an equal comparison.

you can't say a pandemic is over because you're sick of it (as we all are)

This particular strategy of dealing with it will eventually be over if widespread support for it dissipates.

Covid will never be over.

@Tealightsandd

'Living with it' doesn't just mean Other People dying from it.

It also means, for many people, living with long term disability. Long Covid can cause organ damage (heart, lung, kidney, brain), diabetes, and hearing loss. Children as well as adults are at risk. The government has recently opened 15 paediatric Long Covid clinics across the country, to treat child patients.

Hence why 'living with it' doesn't mean letting it spread freely, allowing new potentially vaccine resistant strains to mutate amongst the semi or unvaccinated, letting the bodies pile up.

Living with it means - until the majority (80-90%) are vaccinated - mitigation measures. Border control with real quarantine, working Test & Trace, and mask adherence.

You speak sense, unfortunately many can't see beyond their tiny universe.

@Tealightsandd

'Living with it' doesn't just mean Other People dying from it.

It also means, for many people, living with long term disability. Long Covid can cause organ damage (heart, lung, kidney, brain), diabetes, and hearing loss. Children as well as adults are at risk. The government has recently opened 15 paediatric Long Covid clinics across the country, to treat child patients.

Hence why 'living with it' doesn't mean letting it spread freely, allowing new potentially vaccine resistant strains to mutate amongst the semi or unvaccinated, letting the bodies pile up.

Living with it means - until the majority (80-90%) are vaccinated - mitigation measures. Border control with real quarantine, working Test & Trace, and mask adherence.

this in spades

personally I am desperate for schools to remain open as best as they can until the end of term

throwing all restrictions out the window is not going to help that happen

Delicate snowflakes who can't cope.

Calling people snowflakes is always such an effective technique in winning them over to your cause.

Oh wait

@Dressingup

A guy at work said he had to carry a gas mask around with him as a young child and was made to go to the country side away from his family to help save the country my grandad was sent out on a ship in the navy which was bombed I think we have it lucky yes it’s a pain but it’s not lasting 6 years we haven’t had to ration food either

The world's most untrue and stupidest juxtaposition. Both my grandfathers were in WWII so don't give me that ol' 'you're so disrespectful' bollocks, either. My father was a boy during WWII, he remembered it, said it was shit not some heroic point in time and nothing to hold up as an example.

Yeah me too! Delicate snowflakes who can't cope. Tedious in the extreme! hmm

We can cope - just differently. Some prefer to cope by isolating every time others are ready to move on.

Some fret over long Covid and variant threats others accept risk and ready to face what comes.

@Dressingup

A guy at work said he had to carry a gas mask around with him as a young child and was made to go to the country side away from his family to help save the country my grandad was sent out on a ship in the navy which was bombed I think we have it lucky yes it’s a pain but it’s not lasting 6 years we haven’t had to ration food either

What country was he in @Dressingup? Is this a colleague of yours?

[quote Blessex]@PandasCatsWolves the problem in schools is we keep pulling kids out to isolate for a virus which is mild for the kids.[/quote]
Mild... Except for the poor children who are now suffering with Long Covid. The government has recently opened 15 paediatric clinics across the UK, to treat all the child Long Covid patients.

There are also around 53,000 CEV children. Most are still waiting for a vaccine (in the UK, other countries have started vaccinating over 12s).

Tropical climates are even worse when it comes to disease. It's only a matter of time before they have malaria there. A friend's daughter, in Florida, died from a mozzie bite. The mozzies carry St Louis encephalitis there (also Dengue fever, West Nile virus and several other unpleasant and potentially deadly infections). Florida has 21m people crammed into an area 57% the size of the UK.

@TheKeatingFive

Delicate snowflakes who can't cope.

Calling people snowflakes is always such an effective technique in winning them over to your cause.

Oh wait

The difference being I'm making no attempt to win anyone over to my side of the argument. I'm just sick to my back teeth of folks whingeing on and on about not being able to do this and that. My DD(19) caught Covid last year and has been BEDBOUND since May 2020. So frankly I couldn't give a rat's arse whether people are fed up with Covid or not or whether they care if I think they are snowflakes for having to wear a mask. It's pathetic and it's embarrassing!

Funny how 'the vulnerable' and people with Post Viral Syndrome never mattered for much above FA and still don't if it's not Covid.

Yeah me too! Delicate snowflakes who can't cope. Tedious in the extreme!

Imagine seeing that post from osbert, where you can almost feel the absolute pain and frustration in her words, and then call people delicate snowflakes. Utterly shameful.

others accept risk and ready to face what comes.

No, no you're not. You will turn up at the hospital, if 'what comes' is Covid, expecting them to treat you. You're expecting the NHS to be ready to face what comes. You're not some pioneer with a pistol on your hip. You're a perfectly ordinary person wanting to go about your perfectly ordinary life and to heck with a pandemic. If you weren't going to turn up requiring treatment should this approach turn out badly for you and if this didn't put more vulnerable people at greater risk, I don't think anyone would care what you did.

I agree, it's totally relentless now. I really feel for anyone with school age kids having to keep doing this. Beginning to wonder if it will ever end.

I had a weird moment the other day when I told my ds18 that he was able to book his vaccine and he said he didn’t want it. Now at the time he had just finished a long day at work and was unable to go to the pub and watch the football as all the tables were booked so he was just pushing back against the restrictions (he calmed down the next day and booked in for the vaccine). But my point is when he said he didn’t want the vaccine my first thought was not ‘oh my god he is going to get COVID and die’. It was ‘what will other people say’. And it made me realise that the fear and restrictions have affected me way more than the actual virus has or (fingers crossed) ever will.

“The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!”

This is exactly what I’ve been saying. Apparently everyone’s forgotten and not noticed the goal posts have changed

[quote SweetsMum3]@LucilleTheVampireBat

“Children are being protected from being the vector that kills their own loved ones

I think it is disgusting that people find it acceptable to say things like this. To put that burden and that responsibility on children. It's genuinely chilling.”

Agreed. It’s sad and disgusting. It’s also disinformation. As per the data, children are NOT super spreaders.[/quote]
So explain to me what happens in a household where a child brings home Covid to a cancer patient mother or a transplant patient sibling. Sure, a very young child may not make the connection, but you don’t think a 12 year old is going to realize they are the one who brought it home? No one is feeding that line to kids. Kids have vulnerable family members and kids aren’t stupid. It’s our job to prevent it from happening so they don’t have to live with the guilt.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/10/children-disabilities-priority-vaccination-england-education-shielding

They disappeared more than a year ago and many are still out of sight. When the pandemic hit, 53,000 under-18s in England with disabilities that made them vulnerable to coronavirus began to shield away at home.

Kept off school long after their classmates went back, and away from friends, they have found their childhoods put on hold. And while the vaccine rollout gave high-risk adults some reprieve in the new year, those aged under 16, who have not been eligible for any vaccine, are still living in limbo.

Until we have the majority of the population vaccinated (and then the rest of the world), we need mitigation measures - masks, a properly working test & trace, border control with real quarantine.

Biden is pushing for a temporary vaccine patent waiver. If his talks with the drugs companies go well, that could significantly a speed things up, in getting the world vaccinated.

@deathbypostitnote

others accept risk and ready to face what comes.

No, no you're not. You will turn up at the hospital, if 'what comes' is Covid, expecting them to treat you. You're expecting the NHS to be ready to face what comes. You're not some pioneer with a pistol on your hip. You're a perfectly ordinary person wanting to go about your perfectly ordinary life and to heck with a pandemic. If you weren't going to turn up requiring treatment should this approach turn out badly for you and if this didn't put more vulnerable people at greater risk, I don't think anyone would care what you did.

Of course what a silly post.

Yes hospitalisation will rise and we’ll use the hospitals that are there. We’re hardly in strife.

Deaths down from last week. At 6.

Some want to do this forever addicted to it.

I am also in full agreement with the OP. I feel devastated that society has let children and teenagers down so badly.

It is well past the time when we need to recognise the real risk to healthy young people, and to give them back their lives.

I don’t know how we can ever make it up to them.

You tend to think that the mass testing is necessary when you're living in a Covid delta variant hotspot with loads of people refusing to have the vaccine.

@LucilleTheVampireBat

Yeah me too! Delicate snowflakes who can't cope. Tedious in the extreme!

Imagine seeing that post from osbert, where you can almost feel the absolute pain and frustration in her words, and then call people delicate snowflakes. Utterly shameful.

Imagine having a 19 yo DD who has been bedbound for 13 months from Covid and has been diagnosed with severe depression and PTSD and reading whingeing posts from people who think that just because they can't cope with restrictions anymore, we should all go back to normal. Whatever fucking normal is for families who don't have a DD stuck in bed every day.