All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

@Teateaandmoretea

To be clear - this is evidence from scans of people where they had been scanned prior to the covid outbreak and showing that even those who were not seriously ill have brain changes.

Covid is a nasty virus for sure. But like it or it’s here and it’s staying, we can’t go back to 2019. There is no magic bullet that will make it go away. If you stay in your house for 5 years it will be there when you come out. People need to accept and come to terms with that.

There is no point wittering on about ‘long Covid’ and ‘vaccine breakthrough’. It is what it is, simple as that.

THERE IS A VACCINE - that is the magic bullet. Or have you been under a rock for the last six months?

Sorry for shouting but why oh why would you want your kids to catch something that could damage them permanently when in a short while they could have a vaccine to prevent it?

However, it is becoming increasingly apparent that a large number of children with symptomatic and asymptomatic covid-19 are experiencing long-term effects, many months after the initial infection.

The consequences of long covid in children can be debilitating. At a UK parliamentary briefing on 26 January, Mcfarland described how her 14-year-old daughter started to become vacant, weak and unresponsive after catching covid-19 in March 2020. After three weeks in bed, she did some gentle exercise in the garden and clutched her chest, complaining of heart pain. “She went very floppy and almost couldn't make it back into the house

@deathbypostitnote

on here so many ready for dc to take the biggest hit.

No, I'm keen to get a society where we have a vaccinated population who aren't draining NHS resources and are armed with comprehensive understanding of long Covid in children, so that my children don't continue to take hits. It's called a long term view.

Exactly this Same threads being repeated daily now Yet no one I know feels like this

The people have spoken, and the people are saying it's over

What ‘people?’

The majority of the country support current measures.

Do you mean a few people have moaned on MN? Are they the ‘people?’

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]@MarshaBradyo her mum was in her 40’s her dad in his 50’s, the girl was 11.[/quote]
That is statistically very rare. Were they both vulnerable? I can’t recall the number that have died in
certain age groups but it is low, esp if non vulnerable.

@MarshaBradyo

The JCVI should of course factor this in

They will have more data than you can access. All the regulatory groups will. Scientists recognise this it’s just mners who think they have more.

I don't think I have more data than JCVI, what a deeply weird thing to suggest!

I am discussing this on Mumsnet with other Mumsnetters, I'm not writing green ink letters to the JCVI panel members.

@Wheresthebeach yep I totally agree with you re mental health & the pp who mentions education too. Protect the vulnerable & the nhs which is what we’ve done. Although we are apparently in a 3rd wave hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. Im happy to still take sensible precautions re travel, masks etc but we need to get back to as much normal as possible.

So much frothing, so little science.

Get a grip, OP, it isn't over yet.

Such hyperbole is ridiculous.

We have got to put a stop to this ridiculous close contact isolation. Children who are perfectly well constantly being pulled out of school is decimating their education.

@BonnesVacances

I'd like my DD to not be bedbound and not be severely mentally ill from a virus that people keep telling me has a 99.9% survival rate

sorry to hear about your daughter but on the flip side I know of a few teenagers who have developed severe mental health issues no from catching the virus but as a consequence of lockdown. One in particular is desperately trying to get her dd admitted to a service but unable because of the massive rise in teens struggling at the moment so no places available.

Because you seem worried they’re not including it for some odd reason Practising

Why fret over this stuff. If the risk from
Covid to children is higher than from the vaccine then JCVI will decide accordingly.

The fact that it’s being assessed at all against the tiny risk from the vaccine would suggest that some of these posts re threat to children are over blown.

NHS needs protection, hence the continuing restrictions. Rising admissions plus huge backlogs, mean that services for all conditions are potentially compromised just now.
People who don’t work in the NHS don’t see this, and just don’t get this at all. People only see things from their own viewpoint. Government are being advised very well by Public Health experts with good data.

@BonnesVacances it’s understandable you’re upset about your DD and you both have my sympathy.
However, I’m one of millions of people who have ME. We’ve never had testing for it, there’s no treatment/cure, we’ve struggled to get recognition for it for many years before long covid affected anyone. No one isolates to protect us and the world didn’t close down to prevent us getting it in the form of post viral fatigue.
Lockdown was to prevent deaths.

[quote SweetsMum3]@LucilleTheVampireBat

I know. But who really are the selfish ones? Those who don’t put children first are the selfish ones. This is the first time in history when we as adults said to children, “You need to take care of us. You need to sacrifice your mental health, your education, your career, your childhood, your social development, etc etc… to protect us adults!”[/quote]
quite a lot has changed regarding attitudes to children over the last century. It’s within living memory it was perfectly acceptable to belt them and tell them to shut up along with a whole host of other atrocious behaviour so I’m not sure this statement carries as much weight as you think it does.

That is statistically very rare. Were they both vulnerable?

And if they were CV, is it okay that they died?

I'm CV due to having arthritis and related medication. I would ordinarily be expected to live a long life, my health condition doesn't reduce my expected life span.

I caught covid - almost certainly from school and most likely from a young child - and had to be rushed to hospital with a very real risk of heart attack or stroke.

If I'd died would it have been okay simply as I'm CV and the numbers for the age group is rare? My dh and teenage Dd expected to just see it as one of those things because 'well she was vulnerable after all' perhaps?

When it comes to covid, being vulnerable isn't quite what a lot of people like to think.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

The people have spoken, and the people are saying it's over

What ‘people?’

The majority of the country support current measures.

Do you mean a few people have moaned on MN? Are they the ‘people?’

The pressure is there. Polls are likely the same posters who are very keen already.

The people have spoken, and the people are saying it's over.

No they haven't, but "some posters on mumsnet are pissed off with the restrictions and want it to be over" doesn't have quite the same ring to it .

I totally agree.

Abraxan not ok but if you’re going to suggest it’s a possibility as with anything it comes down to numbers.

do you have any evidence to back up the claim the UK (or anywhere else) has reached herd immunity? Because that's the first I've heard of it

One in particular is desperately trying to get her dd admitted to a service but unable because of the massive rise in teens struggling at the moment so no places available

I’m very sorry to hear of your friends daughter but this has been the case for years. It’s been incredibly hard to get inpatient mental health care for as long as I can remember.

Yet no one I know feels like this

Have you had school closure recently? You might find the general mood change

The majority of the public are not represented by a few posters on MN. The majority have consistently supported mitigation measures. Probably because of common sense, and because they've noticed that things are much more normal and safe and better economy wise in the countries who have suppressed and contained.

@Castlepeak

Rant away, but get your facts right

We do not have herd immunity. Not anywhere close.

Children are being protected from being the vector that kills their own loved ones.

Even though the high risk are vaccinated, studies are showing that many of them may still be extremely vulnerable to Covid and they must continue to take precautions.

Can I ask more please?

I was in the shielded. But I was double vaccinated. Oooh. Some 8 months ago. Does this mean I’m still vulnerable? My GP is crap

@SweetsMum3

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

It might not affect YOUR child, but there are many children who is has and would affect. Your child is crying, well mine cries when they have chemo and vomit 50 times a day.

Get some perspective.