All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

Death is not the only bad outcome from covid. Now there is evidence that those who were not hospitalised have identifiable brain damage, similar to Alzheimer's. I don't want this to happen to me or my loved ones.

I am worried for my kids in particular - other countries are vaccinating children to protect them, the UK government doesn't care if they get sick - and seemingly neither do their parents, which I do not understand.

My father was a boy during WWII, he remembered it, said it was shit not some heroic point in time and nothing to hold up as an example.

Most people's father's were boys during WW2, you haven't got the corner on that! No one is pretending it's a pleasant time but it certainly threatens life in a similar way to war and calls for self discipline and sacrifice in a comparable way. All so our way of life can be preserved and lives can be saved, similar to the motives for going to war. It is indeed unpleasant. More unpleasant not to do your bit.

Tropical climates are even worse when it comes to disease. It's only a matter of time before they have malaria there. A friend's daughter, in Florida, died from a mozzie bite. The mozzies carry St Louis encephalitis there (also Dengue fever, West Nile virus and several other unpleasant and potentially deadly infections)

how on earth is this relevant?

Florida has done well regarding coronavirus in comparison to other US because it had a huge number of benefits - low population density, high SES population, low proportion of ethnic minorities, high proportion of retired people who were at low risk of exposure

It's not comparable to the UK

The US has also started widely vaccinated children which puts them in a better position regarding transmission

I don’t know any child that has had long Covid, 2000 children at my daughter’s school, not one child has long Covid. I would know the parent Facebook would light up. There was a post on here asking how many young people, teenagers had long Covid,hardly anyone replied, it would’ve exploded if loads of children were suffering. Stop doing LFT tests in school. Only test if you have symptoms, adults don’t have to why put your children through isolating all the time. 20,000 Scots supporters in London on Friday, I bet hardly any of them tested. It’s an unfair system that will keep children continually self isolating while others carry on as normal.

@PracticingPerson

Death is not the only bad outcome from covid. Now there is evidence that those who were not hospitalised have identifiable brain damage, similar to Alzheimer's. I don't want this to happen to me or my loved ones.

I am worried for my kids in particular - other countries are vaccinating children to protect them, the UK government doesn't care if they get sick - and seemingly neither do their parents, which I do not understand.

Vaccinate then. We have it if outcomes are so bad use it.

@osbertthesyrianhamster

Funny how 'the vulnerable' and people with Post Viral Syndrome never mattered for much above FA and still don't if it's not Covid.

This!! In spades.

I've a brother in a care home. I actually had relatives on Facebook during this pandemic using him as an example of vulnerable people who should be protected. They love him to much to break the rules etc etc

They soon shut the fuck up when I pointed out that they looooooove him so much they'd not visited him or called him the whole time he has been there. Not even after we lost our mum did anyone check he was OK.

No, they didn't give a shiny shit about him until they could exploit him to make them look oh so fucking virtuous.

@LucilleTheVampireBat

Yeah me too! Delicate snowflakes who can't cope. Tedious in the extreme!

Imagine seeing that post from osbert, where you can almost feel the absolute pain and frustration in her words, and then call people delicate snowflakes. Utterly shameful.

It was my child's birthday and my son was so bad the neighbours rang the police . . . again. We'll hear from his social worker again on Monday. Still no respite. Snowflake! Haahaaa. I'm surprised I haven't topped myself. In fact, I know for a fact the only reason I haven't is because it wouldn't be fair to my surviving daughter. But I think about it every day. Now it's Father's Day, the first one without my father, what should have been my folks' wedding anniversary, then his birthday, the day my child died and will be gone longer than here but us snowflakes just need to cope. I'm not a snowflake. I'm a fucking volcano at present.

So the stick that is Long Covid will be beating us all around the head forever more? such utter nonsense.

I had "Long Glandular fever" or post viral fatigue syndrome to use it's less woke term. 5 months not able to lift my head off a pillow, 18 months of rehab before I could return to work. 20 years on I still have lingering side effects, it was after having GF that I developed all my allergies including severe hayfever, it put my immune system through the floor so even now if there is a bug going round I will catch it. I caught covid, piece of piss!!

But I dont admonish our young for wanting to socialise incase they catch and spread GF because I have had a hideous experience with it.

Believe it or not, there are PVFS clinics "up and down the country too"

@LucilleTheVampireBat

Yeah me too! Delicate snowflakes who can't cope. Tedious in the extreme!

Imagine seeing that post from osbert, where you can almost feel the absolute pain and frustration in her words, and then call people delicate snowflakes. Utterly shameful.

I agree

I agree to an extent.
We are punishing children who should have the most freedoms.
Every time we open up cases will rise. If they are worried about cases rising they should stop things like sports with spectators.
Asymptomatic isolation has to end. You said half the children in your Dc class have symptoms though- that’s loads! Those with symptoms would be at home anyway surely?

Yes completely agree!! Out school closed last week because 4 kids threw up at break time!!?? Then they expected us to homeschool with 2 hours notice and take the day off work...

the UK government doesn't care if they get sick - and seemingly neither do their parents, which I do not understand.

That's ridiculous. They're looking at the data and whether it's justified from the children's perspective, but in a rather academic way right now because we haven't finished vaccinating adults yet (who should be vaccinated first, I think anyone could agree given it's a new vaccine and the virus affects adults more). The hope is that children won't need to be vaccinated because the virus won't survive in large enough numbers without an unvaccinated adult population. That seemed the case in Israel but personally I don't think it's going to fly with the Delta variant. On the contrary, the mutation pressures on the virus will probably increase in a half vaccinated population and the children are sitting ducks. However I do understand why we cannot vaccinate them this very second.

@PracticingPerson

Death is not the only bad outcome from covid. Now there is evidence that those who were not hospitalised have identifiable brain damage, similar to Alzheimer's. I don't want this to happen to me or my loved ones.

I am worried for my kids in particular - other countries are vaccinating children to protect them, the UK government doesn't care if they get sick - and seemingly neither do their parents, which I do not understand.

DD(19) is under a top psychiatrist in London and he says she has suffered neurological damage from a Covid infection which has caused significant and severe mental illness on top of all the physical conditions and impairments it's left her with. People whingeing could barely hope to have half the resilience she's shown in battling the aftermath of Covid. But apparently young people under the age of [whatever line they have decided to draw in the sand] don't suffer from Covid and all the vulnerable have been vaccinated now. What utter meaningless bollocks!

I just don't see it the same way. We're not at war. We're not starving in the streets. We have some restrictions on gathering. We're trying to save people's lives. People who matter to me and you. If children are scarred and betrayed over this then we really do need to have a think about resilience and perspective.

@osbertthesyrianhamster I can’t imagine what it must be like for you on a daily basis. I can’t believe how cold hearted people on here are, especially on a parents support website, unbelievable, I do wonder if there is an agenda here, as the replies don’t make sense to the situation. The threats of Covid isn’t the same since the vaccine’s have been widely rolled out.

Here is the twitter thread about the brain issues, referencing school kids in classrooms, and linking to the medical study twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1405190209810178051

@PracticingPerson

Death is not the only bad outcome from covid. Now there is evidence that those who were not hospitalised have identifiable brain damage, similar to Alzheimer's. I don't want this to happen to me or my loved ones.

I am worried for my kids in particular - other countries are vaccinating children to protect them, the UK government doesn't care if they get sick - and seemingly neither do their parents, which I do not understand.

This. Long Covid can cause organ damage (heart, lung, kidney, brain), diabetes, hearing loss.

And we're still learning about it (what with Covid being a new disease, and one possibly genetically modified and escaped from a lab).

On a related note, a relatively high number of apparently recovered Covid patients, discharged from hospital, go on to suffer a relapse and die months later.

With children's vaccines. I don't know that it's the government doesn't care (although removing masks in schools was a questionable move). It's simply we don't have enough supply. We'll be getting more deliveries in the future but for now the supply is limited. It's less that they don't want to vaccinate children, and more that for now they can't. Which is why mitigation measures like masks, working test and trace, and border control is so very important.

Baileys You have a bit to learn about data analysis and research. Perhaps you should listen to the experts until you know more?

I disagree with the notion that an entire generation has been betrayed.

The United Kingdom has been betrayed, young and old, women and men, poor or not, by the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had. A Prime Minister who missed five meetings about the virus, who acted late in March 2020, September 2020, December 2020 and in April 2021.

• Children have had to manage with six weeks more home schooling than would have happened with prompt action in March and December 2020.
• Non-essential shops were shut for eight or nine weeks longer than under prompt action, and would have been open for eight weeks pre-Christmas not three.
• Tomorrow almost all if not all restrictions for Uk life would have been lifted had India been on the red list at the same time as Pakistan and Bangladesh.

At least 10,000 people fewer would have died with a competent attentive decisive Prime Minister, regardless of whether they were Tory, Labour, Lib Dem or any other party.

[quote PracticingPerson]Here is the twitter thread about the brain issues, referencing school kids in classrooms, and linking to the medical study twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1405190209810178051[/quote]
To be clear - this is evidence from scans of people where they had been scanned prior to the covid outbreak and showing that even those who were not seriously ill have brain changes.

I want to understand this before I will say confidently that Covid can't harm my children.

@OnTheSeaShore

I just don't see it the same way. We're not at war. We're not starving in the streets. We have some restrictions on gathering. We're trying to save people's lives. People who matter to me and you. If children are scarred and betrayed over this then we really do need to have a think about resilience and perspective.

No they are not.

They still shouldn’t be isolating repeatedly now as society gets more freedom. Any should be to children first as a priority. Some don’t seem to care if their dc are stuck at home, but I’ll never understand that stance. Everyone in rl agrees but on here so many ready for dc to take the biggest hit.

bonnesvacances That is just awful. I'm so sorry. Have you read Brain on Fire? It might bring some hope.

I’m sorry I’m not going to be threatened with the long Covid in young people threat unless you have data to back up millions of children with long Covid 🙄