We're going to have another lockdown aren't we?

[faithfulbird20]

So yesterday we got very quick messages for 2nd vaccine 4 weeks after first and a lot of people were saying that's quick...also today school has said they're cancelling all trips too due coronavirus. I guess there's fear it will get a lot worse...honestly think it will be another year or more before things get better...

I find posts like yours irritating too @bumblingbovine49. Because you are not able to critically think about things. Nobody is attributing higher overall deaths to more people being killed by buses - no idea where you are getting that from. What I am simply saying is that people need to not take the hospital admissions numbers at face value. But continue to do that if you wish. And frankly with Covid / of Covid does matter. In fact the govt have asked whether it is now possible to separate the hospital admission numbers for exactly that reason.

NannyAndJohn
"I'm making my Christmas plans under the assumption that we'll be in full lockdown.
The flu season is set to be worse than ever this year and the Nepal Variant is already on the loose."

Is this sarcasm? A joke perchance?

What I am simply saying is that people need to not take the hospital admissions numbers at face value. But continue to do that if you wish

@Pootle40 I agree we shouldn't take it at face value. I think all me and the other poster were saying is we don't think it can account for such a large rise entirely. Both myself and the pp acknowledged some of the data will be with not of covid. That's not simply taking it as face value.

But again you imply we are stupid for 'not being able to critically think.' Just because someone disagrees with part of your analysis doesn't make them stupid. I would also suggest if you really want people to listen to you, you shouldn't insult them by implying they are not very bright.

We should we seeing separate data - yes.

I don't think there's any tolerance left amongst the public for a further full lockdown.
I do think though measures as we reach autumn/winter and the possibility of new variants emerging will increase. We need to get better and more flexible at living with us.
Wfh makes sense for a while , part time school rotas in smaller bubbles perhaps, better ventilation /air purifiers in schools, public spaces and masks of course.
We have to accept that unlocking fully was never going to be an option this month and continue to use common sense wherever we can.

part time school rotas in smaller bubbles perhaps

This is never going to happen

@doubleshotespresso

I don't think there's any tolerance left amongst the public for a further full lockdown. I do think though measures as we reach autumn/winter and the possibility of new variants emerging will increase. We need to get better and more flexible at living with us. Wfh makes sense for a while , part time school rotas in smaller bubbles perhaps, better ventilation /air purifiers in schools, public spaces and masks of course. We have to accept that unlocking fully was never going to be an option this month and continue to use common sense wherever we can.

Part time school rotas should never be an option. Education has been disrupted enough and it would also be damaging for women.

part time school rotas in smaller bubbles perhaps
Surely nobody thinks this is a good idea anymore

@OliveTree75

part time school rotas in smaller bubbles perhaps Surely nobody thinks this is a good idea anymore

You’d hope not.

I think the experience with the school closures at the start of this year clearly demonstrated the issue with part time rotas, at least for primary. The key worker children would fill most if not all of the rota places full time, so the non-key worker children would barely be in school.

Daily case numbers in places like Bradford and Blackburn that had recent spikes are on the decline without having had local restrictions, only additional guidance and targeted support. In others like Kirklees and Oldham they seem to be levelling off following a rise. I suppose the problem will be if cases start to increase in large areas of the country, we won't have the capacity to provide additional resources everywhere in the same way we can for localised outbreaks. But I'm a lot more optimistic than I was even just a week ago that we might be looking at more of a bump than a proper third wave.

@doubleshotespresso

I don't think there's any tolerance left amongst the public for a further full lockdown. I do think though measures as we reach autumn/winter and the possibility of new variants emerging will increase. We need to get better and more flexible at living with us. Wfh makes sense for a while , part time school rotas in smaller bubbles perhaps, better ventilation /air purifiers in schools, public spaces and masks of course. We have to accept that unlocking fully was never going to be an option this month and continue to use common sense wherever we can.

I just think they need to reign in their talk of variants....its what viruses do.

All this talk of Delta, Catherine Zeta, Kappa Kappa Gamma etc variants is going to quicky get a bit like the boy who cried wolf....then if a serious one does emerge people wont care.

There will not be another national lockdown. Local restrictions, possibly, but nothing like we have been through before. Ultimately we have to learn to live with Covid.

Please stop with the hysterical scaremongering.

No they won’t lock down now. October is when we might see a lockdown or increased restrictions but I doubt they’ll want to lockdown in summer and ‘use up’ the patience of the public.

All this talk of Delta, Catherine Zeta, Kappa Kappa Gamma etc variants is going to quicky get a bit like the boy who cried wolf....then if a serious one does emerge people wont care.

This is an excellent point

@Sweak

Thewise - I don't think there's any justification for a lock down over the summer.

I'm also surprised you think there will be one in autumn/winter. Restrictions yes, lockdown no.

There's definitely justification for additional restrictions.

Though leave it a month and I reckon there'll be justification for a full lockdown.

@OliveTree75

part time school rotas in smaller bubbles perhaps Surely nobody thinks this is a good idea anymore

Personally I’m really in favour of these kind of restrictions rather than boom or bust schooling like we saw this winter. It was awful. I realise working part time I am more able to manage this than others would be. But I’d happily volunteer to keep my child at home (so others who need full time could send them), so long as we had March style home learning rather than stress zoom schooling.

You don't think Delta is serious @Suranjeep @TheKeatingFive?

@OliveTree75

part time school rotas in smaller bubbles perhaps Surely nobody thinks this is a good idea anymore

I'm not at all a fan of the idea. But as someone whose child has been denied access to school, there's got to be some flexibility here. 30 children in addition to supporting adults in poorly ventilated classrooms (through winter) is just going to cause further transmission , smaller numbers are just a an obvious suggestion. Is it ideal ? No of course not. But neither is a whole chunk of society being hidden as if they don't exist. We all need to be prepared to think better and bolder ideas if we intend to live with this.

@NannyAndJohn

You don't think Delta is serious *@Suranjeep* *@TheKeatingFive*?

No, because it isnt "vaccine escaping"

No, @AliceLivesHere.

I am indeed making my Christmas plans under the assumption that we'll be in full lockdown.

Is it really worth spending oodles of money and time planning an extravagant extended family Christmas complete with multiple days of indoor mixing when you know that Johnson will just pull the rug from underneath you again?

If Johnson hadn't let Delta in, @Suranjeep, there's a pretty good chance that 21st June would have been able to go ahead as planned.

Instead, cases are rising exponentially (and hospitalisations will be soon to follow) to the point that we will soon be in the situation where we need to reintroduce restrictions or risk having to face a future lockdown.

@NannyAndJohn
*There's definitely justification for additional restrictions.

Though leave it a month and I reckon there'll be justification for a full lockdown.*

There was a justification for extending the current restrictions (the modelling on deaths and the need to get more people jabbed). There is no justification for additional restrictions at this time. The death and hospital rates aren't high enough. It would have an adverse effect on the population..people need to be able to earn a living.

A full lockdown in a month? July..when schools will be shut anyway, more people will be outdoors, more people will have been jabbed (double and single)...makes no sense.

You can't really be thinking like this? What was the point in us getting vaccinated then? If you want people to take you seriously you need to be realistic.

I see your name on these sorts of threads time and time again...always doom and gloom no matter the situation. What's your agenda? I don't think anyone can seriously be thinking we need a lock down in a month

@NannyAndJohn

If Johnson hadn't let Delta in, *@Suranjeep*, there's a pretty good chance that 21st June would have been able to go ahead as planned.

Instead, cases are rising exponentially (and hospitalisations will be soon to follow) to the point that we will soon be in the situation where we need to reintroduce restrictions or risk having to face a future lockdown.

Sure I agree with that - he acted too slowly - but surely you're not saying that once everyone over 18 is double jabbed, as they will be by august at this rate, that we'll need lockdowns? I really don't understand that logic. Yea of course if there's a new vaccine resistant strain and a lag whilst they tweak existing vaccine technology. But otherwise why would it be necessary?

You don't think Delta is serious @Suranjeep* @TheKeatingFive?*

I don’t think anyone on the planet thinks it’s as serious as you do nanny

@NannyAndJohn

If Johnson hadn't let Delta in, *@Suranjeep*, there's a pretty good chance that 21st June would have been able to go ahead as planned.

Instead, cases are rising exponentially (and hospitalisations will be soon to follow) to the point that we will soon be in the situation where we need to reintroduce restrictions or risk having to face a future lockdown.

Lets lock down from tomorrow then.

Weld the doors. Buy lots of toilet roll.

STAY THE FUCK AT HOME