Vaccination to be mandatory for care home staff

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www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

It will be interesting to see how this affects retention and recruitment of staff... Or not...

Ok - so here’s something to think on
Was the Hep B vaccine to protect the person working or the person they are interacting with? To those who say they’ve had a mandatory Hep B vaccine.
Did you know there was a vaccine you had to take BEFORE taking employment?
I’m guessing it was mandatory to save the worker and you knew before your employment, just like a clear DBS check.
People employed as carers are now supposed to be grateful that they have jobs, just so some people might be protected by a virus they didn’t cause and a vaccine that could cause problems for themselves should just go along with it.
I’m fully vaccinated.
I’m also a full time carer for my very vulnerable daughter, not by choice (had a career before she was born etc).
Do, people who’ve chosen to work in a job that almost no-one wants to fo get to have absolutely no freedom of choice?
Why them?
Why not taxi drivers, waiting staff, pub workers, chefs, delivery drivers, surgeons, lawyers who have to talk loudly, paramedics, staff who work in SARCS, police, postmen and women, children who go to school, teachers, religious leaders (ministers and what not)…
Why just the low paid people who care for the vulnerable, elderly people who the politicians deliberately released thousands of infected people into their care homes. Let’s double the insult to carers.
I’m not anti vaccine.
I’m anti cuntishness.

@speckledostrichegg

Yes they have said I’m wrong regarding transmission. I’ve said it doesn’t stop transmission full stop - and I’m right. It’s only
Regarded to stop it in 50% of cases.

Regarding vaccinations are being considered for children to be mandatory - try to read any of the top papers this morning.

Ah see you now are agreeing with my original post. Enough said.

Well said Blue4you

And for people that do have reactions, how will they be protected financially if something goes wrong?

@Blue4YOU

Anticuntishness - love it, spot on!

Regarding vaccinations are being considered for children to be mandatory - try to read any of the top papers this morning.

So, no source or link then @Bargebill19

Hmmm not happy with it really. I am double vaxxed. Had mine the first week they were out in Dec. Not anti-vax.

But not happy. The reason I say that is its my choice. Happy to have these first two as theres clearly a need. Will I be happy if I need a booster in 6 months for Delta, a booster another 6 months later for another variant. So on so forth.

When we have residents who's families are refusing consent for them to be jabbed its a final kick in the teeth. I am not at risk from COVID. Why should I get jabbed to protect your relative who is at risk and your refusing them to be jabbed. Mind boggles.

Really? You’ve obviously got internet. Read some papers instead of trolling.

Good. As a nurse we had a mandatory vaccination to work.

Any carer working in a care home should be vaccinated. The residents can't keep their distance from unvaccinated staff , so staff do the responsible thing.

Carers are not hard to employ. With current job losses it won't make it harder.
It's qualified nurses that are hard to employ.

Front line staff in hospitals had to get it, no reason why care home staff should not.

@lemonswan.
It’s not on is it? It’s not right. But on MN as in life, apparently carers - their opinions and rights are to be ignored.

@Bargebill19

Really? You’ve obviously got internet. Read some papers instead of trolling.

you are stating that the coronavirus vaccines are to be made mandatory for children

I've asked you for any kind of link or source to this, and you've told me to "try and read the papers"

There are literally no articles from credible sources reporting these claims

Don't think I'm the one trolling!

This literally sends chills down my spine reading the nonsensical dribble on this post about enforcing people to accept a trial vaccination on emergency legislation! Christ you lot are the mad ones.

@speckledostrichegg. No i said they are considering making it mandatory for children.

Stop putting words were there aren’t any.

@Crabbypaddy

This literally sends chills down my spine reading the nonsensical dribble on this post about enforcing people to accept a trial vaccination on emergency legislation! Christ you lot are the mad ones.

But it’s the case is it not?

What are you talking about?!

carers are not hard to employ

Because its not seen as a job of worth which is why its always the default setting job at Job Centres. Its seen by society as a last resort job. Which is why issues like Winterbourne View occur again and again and again. Every time shit like this happens the lessons will be learned trope gets trotted out ad infinitum. If people gave a rats ass about the elderly in care homes they would be petitioning the Government to stop bullying unsuitable unemployed ppl (not all will be unsuitable but some will be so there is still a risk) into care home jobs. Maybe these jobs should be taken out of the remit of Job Centres altogether. Ahh but that wont happen will it because ppls hate for benefits claimants far outweighs their concern for elderly ppl getting willing care workers looking after them without there being the risk of abuse. And this just aint trendy and virtue signally enough like something Covid related is. These risks were there before Covid and they will be there after Covid because there is not the political or public will to care!!!

@MercyBooth

carers are not hard to employ

Because its not seen as a job of worth which is why its always the default setting job at Job Centres. Its seen by society as a last resort job. Which is why issues like Winterbourne View occur again and again and again. Every time shit like this happens the lessons will be learned trope gets trotted out ad infinitum. If people gave a rats ass about the elderly in care homes they would be petitioning the Government to stop bullying unsuitable unemployed ppl (not all will be unsuitable but some will be so there is still a risk) into care home jobs. Maybe these jobs should be taken out of the remit of Job Centres altogether. Ahh but that wont happen will it because ppls hate for benefits claimants far outweighs their concern for elderly ppl getting willing care workers looking after them without there being the risk of abuse. And this just aint trendy and virtue signally enough like something Covid related is. These risks were there before Covid and they will be there after Covid because there is not the political or public will to care!!!

If people cared about elderly they wouldn’t put them in nursing homes

@Bargebill19
The more I think about it the more stupid it gets. Anyone who works in a care home knows its the residents who are the weak link in infection control (obviously not the case in domiciliary).

To put it bluntly - its the residents who are going in and out of the Covid equivalent of Chernobyl Ground Zero on a regular basis (Hospitals), and they are not using PPE, washing their hands every 2 seconds etc.

If its compulsory for staff it should be for all residents. At least staff are aware and vigilant with PPE, hand hygiene, infection control, temp taking, very regular testing (too intrusive to do as regularly on the residents) etc. Residents aren't taking these protective measures. Some dont have capacity. And thinking about how dry my hands were when this all started and how they have only 50% improved after a year. I might argue on fragile & sensitive elderly skin it may be impossible for some to even uphold that level of hand hygiene. And obviously they don't wear masks because its their home.

So one for all and all for one! Lets all commit to every jab and every flipping booster together.

*Otherwise I am getting pregnant and going on a double maternity leave. See you in a few years

[quote LemonSwan]@Bargebill19
The more I think about it the more stupid it gets. Anyone who works in a care home knows its the residents who are the weak link in infection control (obviously not the case in domiciliary).

To put it bluntly - its the residents who are going in and out of the Covid equivalent of Chernobyl Ground Zero on a regular basis (Hospitals), and they are not using PPE, washing their hands every 2 seconds etc.

If its compulsory for staff it should be for all residents. At least staff are aware and vigilant with PPE, hand hygiene, infection control, temp taking, very regular testing (too intrusive to do as regularly on the residents) etc. Residents aren't taking these protective measures. Some dont have capacity. And thinking about how dry my hands were when this all started and how they have only 50% improved after a year. I might argue on fragile & sensitive elderly skin it may be impossible for some to even uphold that level of hand hygiene. And obviously they don't wear masks because its their home.

So one for all and all for one! Lets all commit to every jab and every flipping booster together.

*Otherwise I am getting pregnant and going on a double maternity leave. See you in a few years [/quote]
Thought hand washing isn’t effective because it doesn’t live on surfaces very long?

Interesting, they are breaking the law forcing an untested vaccine in someone without their informed consent.

I think this is a dodgy route to be going down. Where will it stop? Who else will be threatened with job lost without a vaccine? Why just covid vaccine? Are care home staff forced to have the flu vaccine? What about all those parents who refuse to vaccinate their children for all the other diseases/illnesses out there are they going to make them mandatory too? We are suppose to live in a free country where we are allowed to make our own decisions we are blindly walking into an authoritarian society.

So we are back to 'no jab, no job'.

This bmj article from April of this year is interesting to read in retrospect:

Covid 19: Is the UK heading towards mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers?

As usual, no mention of naturally-gained immunity in the current news articles on the subject.

My mum has dementia and requires 24/4 nursing care in a home. I’m glad. If she caught Covid she would die.

@motherrunner

My mum has dementia and requires 24/4 nursing care in a home. I’m glad. If she caught Covid she would die.

And I say this as a teacher who hasn’t seen my mum since March 2020 as working with teenagers hundreds of teenagers each day I don’t want to lose any risk to her. Unless I can isolate myself beforehand for 10 days, I won’t visit. I take LFTs twice a week but know how unreliable they are.

@Egeegogxmv you think this makes a care homes 'forced labour camps' , seriously? Like Auschwitz? How fucking offensive.
Here's a little link to some info about a forced labour camp. Educate yourself.
www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-camps/types-of-camps/work-camps/